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Post by dieselfitter on Feb 28, 2018 9:48:50 GMT -6
I know I'd rather be standing there/their/they're protecting kids with a gun in my hands instead of my d...just saying, at least I'd have a fighting chance!
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Post by dieselfitter on Feb 28, 2018 9:51:10 GMT -6
Not to mention, if I had to hold onto my D for too long, my forefinger and thumb would get so d@mn tired...I'd end up with carpal tunnel
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Post by mrwig on Feb 28, 2018 9:51:35 GMT -6
that's great in a perfect world, take a look at my post above and apply it to what you just said. not saying you're wrong, just something to think about. I just now read what you said. In addition to your thoughts and mine as well. That there is a database created at the state level for teachers carrying that law enforcement is only allowed to view. So if it does happen, then the police knows that there are armed teachers. I need to know...
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Post by fbs on Feb 28, 2018 9:51:51 GMT -6
that's great in a perfect world, take a look at my post above and apply it to what you just said. not saying you're wrong, just something to think about. I just now read what you said. In addition to your thoughts and mine as well. That there is a database created at the state level for teachers carrying that law enforcement is only allowed to view. So if it does happen, then the police knows that there are armed teachers. I'm with ya brother, but my concern is that in the panic and fear that teachers will be shot by the police instinctively. I don't believe a run of the mill police officer will risk his life to stop and ask questions before he acts.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 28, 2018 9:52:26 GMT -6
so is the metal detector idea off the table?...... asking for a friend.
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Post by dieselfitter on Feb 28, 2018 9:53:47 GMT -6
I just now read what you said. In addition to your thoughts and mine as well. That there is a database created at the state level for teachers carrying that law enforcement is only allowed to view. So if it does happen, then the police knows that there are armed teachers. I'm with ya brother, but my concern is that in the panic and fear that teachers will be shot by the police instinctively. I don't believe a run of the mill police officer will risk his life to stop and ask questions before he acts. It's actually a pretty easy fix, give the said teacher an pd issued vest that fits in the gun fault as well that identifies them as the licensed carrier...you guys are putting way too much thought into WHY it wouldn't work instead of how it could work.
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Post by Lebowski on Feb 28, 2018 9:56:21 GMT -6
I just now read what you said. In addition to your thoughts and mine as well. That there is a database created at the state level for teachers carrying that law enforcement is only allowed to view. So if it does happen, then the police knows that there are armed teachers. I'm with ya brother, but my concern is that in the panic and fear that teachers will be shot by the police instinctively. I don't believe a run of the mill police officer will risk his life to stop and ask questions before he acts. I agree. But you and I both know that the whole parent thing won't fix this problem. No one wants to fix the problem and its been going on for the last 20 years. It has to be fixed. I have learned in the business that we give kids that have issues way too many chances. The juvenile system is a joke. Heck if your 14 and shoot someone you go to jail until your 18 and you get a clean record. I really don't know the solution. But society has gotten out of control.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 28, 2018 9:57:48 GMT -6
your misuse of your/you're has gotten out of control
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Post by fbs on Feb 28, 2018 9:58:06 GMT -6
I'm with ya brother, but my concern is that in the panic and fear that teachers will be shot by the police instinctively. I don't believe a run of the mill police officer will risk his life to stop and ask questions before he acts. It's actually a pretty easy fix, give the said teacher an pd issued vest that fits in the gun fault as well that identifies them as the licensed carrier...you guys are putting way too much thought into WHY it wouldn't work instead of how it could work. maybe so. look there's no SOLVING this problem. only small solutions that can help it. I think arming teachers is a PART of a solution. that's a last resort for dealing with a threat that's already made it into the school. Why aren't we focusing on solutions that keep them out to begin with? there are other things that I'm sure you've thought about too, that COULD happen and it's a miracle that they haven't, so we are far from through with this issue.
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Post by mrwig on Feb 28, 2018 10:00:12 GMT -6
I'm with ya brother, but my concern is that in the panic and fear that teachers will be shot by the police instinctively. I don't believe a run of the mill police officer will risk his life to stop and ask questions before he acts. I agree. But you and I both know that the whole parent thing won't fix this problem. No one wants to fix the problem and its been going on for the last 20 years. It has to be fixed. I have learned in the business that we give kids that have issues way too many chances. The juvenile system is a joke. Heck if your 14 and shoot someone you go to jail until your 18 and you get a clean record. I really don't know the solution. But society has gotten out of control. society has always been fked.........
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Post by Lebowski on Feb 28, 2018 10:01:49 GMT -6
You know what I think might deter some of it. If I was the Governor of Florida, once that kid gets convicted they will give him the chair. I would sign his Execution Warrant for 10:00am and have NBC,ABC,CBS bring their cameras and let them televise him frying. Let all the MS/HS kids watch it.
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Post by dieselfitter on Feb 28, 2018 10:03:06 GMT -6
There is not solving the problem IMO. We're trying to fit a square peg into a round hole. Mental health is an issue, gun control is getting the blame as an issue, the NRA, the parents, the students, all of it...it's the perfect storm.
I'm talking about how to manage the situation. I think, the chances of a person clearly seeing a sign in front of a school that the faculty may be armed and are willing to take whatever means necessary to protect students and still saying "f it, I'm still going to do it" are drastically reduced...
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Post by Hitch on Feb 28, 2018 10:04:21 GMT -6
Roddy-Labbyowski, before you run for office, please take basic English courses as well as a refresher typing class. You're, not your, welcome in advance.
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Post by fbs on Feb 28, 2018 10:05:00 GMT -6
I'm with ya brother, but my concern is that in the panic and fear that teachers will be shot by the police instinctively. I don't believe a run of the mill police officer will risk his life to stop and ask questions before he acts. I agree. But you and I both know that the whole parent thing won't fix this problem. No one wants to fix the problem and its been going on for the last 20 years. It has to be fixed. I have learned in the business that we give kids that have issues way too many chances. The juvenile system is a joke. Heck if your 14 and shoot someone you go to jail until your 18 and you get a clean record. I really don't know the solution. But society has gotten out of control. I'm 100% in agreement with you. I read an article today about the fact that nearly every school shooter in history grew up without a biological father. this is not a coincidence at all. the death of the traditional american family has damaged this country irreparably.
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Post by Hitch on Feb 28, 2018 10:07:56 GMT -6
FBS, great post sir!
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Post by fbs on Feb 28, 2018 10:09:17 GMT -6
You know what I think might deter some of it. If I was the Governor of Florida, once that kid gets convicted they will give him the chair. I would sign his Execution Warrant for 10:00am and have NBC,ABC,CBS bring their cameras and let them televise him frying. Let all the MS/HS kids watch it. dude I couldn't agree more... I've said for a long time that if we could just bring back public torture and execution, crime rates would plummet.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 28, 2018 10:09:41 GMT -6
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Post by dieselfitter on Feb 28, 2018 10:11:41 GMT -6
There is not solving the problem IMO. We're trying to fit a square peg into a round hole. Mental health is an issue, gun control is getting the blame as an issue, the NRA, the parents, the students, all of it...it's the perfect storm. I'm talking about how to manage the situation. I think, the chances of a person clearly seeing a sign in front of a school that the faculty may be armed and are willing to take whatever means necessary to protect students and still saying "f it, I'm still going to do it" are drastically reduced... not sure this would deter them....most of them go into it with the intention to kill themselves as well, so being shot by an english hen after you've killed a few other kids wouldn't deter it....it would probably save 50% of the lives that would have been lost though.... stud saw a facebook post that read "put veterans in schools with guns"....again, probably won't deter it, but the sooner you can take out the shooter, the better.... as stud has said before, he hopes this kid gets beaten and wraped every hour on the hour for the rest of his pathetic life..... Completely agree with the veteran thing, IF they are able to pass the psychological portion...that's another animal of itself...we should be doing WAY more for our veterans than we are as far as mental health is concerned.
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Post by fbs on Feb 28, 2018 10:11:58 GMT -6
hammurabi had it right.
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Post by Lebowski on Feb 28, 2018 10:17:39 GMT -6
Roddy-Labbyowski, before you run for office, please take basic English courses as well as a refresher typing class. You're, not your, welcome in advance. I will have an assistant write all of my stuff for me.
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