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Post by fbs on Apr 23, 2018 9:26:33 GMT -6
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Post by moxWASmybackup on Apr 23, 2018 9:31:27 GMT -6
Actual shot of Lance/Mox retelling the story...
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Post by justanothercoach on Apr 23, 2018 9:40:42 GMT -6
Interesting clock management. 3 minutes left in the game. 2:45 left in the third. About a minute left in the third. Yeah, definitely meant to type 3 minutes left in the 3rd. Basically the score after the FIRST play in the 4th quarter was 49-13. With just over 3 minutes left in the 3rd quarter the score was 14-13. For over half the game it was working though? Seems like special teams really let ya down too.
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Post by moxWASmybackup on Apr 23, 2018 9:45:38 GMT -6
Yeah, definitely meant to type 3 minutes left in the 3rd. Basically the score after the FIRST play in the 4th quarter was 49-13. With just over 3 minutes left in the 3rd quarter the score was 14-13. For over half the game it was working though? Seems like special teams really let ya down too. I wouldn't say what we were doing offensively was working.. Defense played their arse off. Special teams definitely let us down.
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Post by justanothercoach on Apr 23, 2018 9:58:54 GMT -6
I don't know. Seems like there's plenty of blame to go around. As a defensive guy I hate when the O can't get any time off the clock.
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Post by fbs on Apr 23, 2018 10:02:38 GMT -6
I don't know. Seems like there's plenty of blame to go around. As a defensive guy I hate when the O can't get any time off the clock. every defensive guy I've ever worked with has said this same thing, and I get it, I promise I do... except that every defensive guy I've had calling our defense is still going to give up 35. better give your offense some more snaps if that's gonna be the case.
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Post by moxWASmybackup on Apr 23, 2018 10:03:09 GMT -6
I don't know. Seems like there's plenty of blame to go around. As a defensive guy I hate when the O can't get any time off the clock. That's kind of the point I'm making...
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Post by fbs on Apr 23, 2018 10:07:39 GMT -6
my problem is when defensive guys use that as a way to blame everyone but the defense for losing a game, when the statistics aren't with you in the first place. I understand the numbers are drastically against you the longer you're on the field, but how is it that the offense can execute being on the field twice the amount of plays as the defense, then why can't the defense do the same? the other team's defense is on the field exactly the same amount of plays as your offense. I just don't buy into it, but you're entitled to that opinion as long as you're a good defensive coach who isn't looking for someone to blame while you continue to run 50 cover 3 to doubles trips and quads.
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Post by skinny51 on Apr 23, 2018 10:14:58 GMT -6
my problem is when defensive guys use that as a way to blame everyone but the defense for losing a game, when the statistics aren't with you in the first place. I understand the numbers are drastically against you the longer you're on the field, but how is it that the offense can execute being on the field twice the amount of plays as the defense, then why can't the defense do the same? the other team's defense is on the field exactly the same amount of plays as your offense. I just don't buy into it, but you're entitled to that opinion as long as you're a good defensive coach who isn't looking for someone to blame while you continue to run 50 cover 3 to doubles trips and quads. True...also after 12 offensive snaps the chance of the offense scoring a TD starts to go down. I have called offense and defense. Defenses can run time off the clock too if they don’t give up the big play...
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Post by justanothercoach on Apr 23, 2018 10:25:27 GMT -6
my problem is when defensive guys use that as a way to blame everyone but the defense for losing a game, when the statistics aren't with you in the first place. I understand the numbers are drastically against you the longer you're on the field, but how is it that the offense can execute being on the field twice the amount of plays as the defense, then why can't the defense do the same? the other team's defense is on the field exactly the same amount of plays as your offense. I just don't buy into it, but you're entitled to that opinion as long as you're a good defensive coach who isn't looking for someone to blame while you continue to run 50 cover 3 to doubles trips and quads. Pretty much what I was trying to say. I'm the first to blame the D when it deserves it. None of us was at the game mox is describing. But, from what I can tell, special teams pooped the bed. And then in this day in age in football you have to get a stop in a short yardage situation after a turn over about once a game. You got to be able to as a defense go out in a bad spot and make something positive happen. Often times that's the difference in games staying within reach and controllable to them getting weird and crazy.
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Post by moxWASmybackup on Apr 23, 2018 10:28:04 GMT -6
I guess I'm one of those offensive guys who blames the offense when their total time of possession the past 3 times they've had the ball is 28 seconds. With two 3 and outs and a turnover.
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Post by justanothercoach on Apr 23, 2018 10:36:39 GMT -6
i just don't see the correclation to the 3&outs and the punt returned for a TD, KO Fumbled and D giving up a TD and the 1 play 60 yard TD run the D gave up and time of possession.
now if the D had went out their and given a couple long drives after back to back 3 & outs.
from what you said the first half and most of the 3rd was a 14-13 game. There had to be some 3 and outs in there before and they didn't lead to all the crazy scoring by Frenship
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Post by justanothercoach on Apr 23, 2018 11:18:20 GMT -6
most definitely
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Post by Hitch on Apr 23, 2018 11:22:59 GMT -6
Solid post, Bob.
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Post by newcoach on Apr 23, 2018 11:29:12 GMT -6
read guard to backfield or if they are good enough backfield to flow.
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Post by moxWASmybackup on Apr 23, 2018 12:45:53 GMT -6
i just don't see the correclation to the 3&outs and the punt returned for a TD, KO Fumbled and D giving up a TD and the 1 play 60 yard TD run the D gave up and time of possession. now if the D had went out their and given a couple long drives after back to back 3 & outs. from what you said the first half and most of the 3rd was a 14-13 game. There had to be some 3 and outs in there before and they didn't lead to all the crazy scoring by Frenship Better clock management / play calling can help minimize the opportunity the other team has to make anything happen. That's how I view it from an offensive stand point. If I have 3 - 3&outs in a row and I've called 9 straight pass plays maybe I OUGHT TO look in the mirror. Certainly in THIS instance the offensive did not play well ALL game, the defense had played pretty solid. Special teams fell apart and led to a huge momentum swing and could be seen as ultimately leading to a team packing it in. I never blamed any one phase of the ball. Offense should have executed or called different stuff. Sure, the defense is going to have to come up with stops to win a dam game. Guys shouldn't fumble, guys should cover punts, special teams should have not made back to back mistakes. All that being said, I would put it on the offense. You know when a game is out of reach, you know that the calls you make can directly impact the flow of the game. If I'm down by 30, I'm not calling three fades in a row hoping to buy 6. You can get beat, most of the time you can prevent getting slaughtered. Sure things were manageable until they weren't. No reason to lose that game in that fashion. It snowballed and as playcaller on the offensive side of the ball I think you can play a larger part in stopping that then any other phase. I agree with you Roberto El Pollo, coaches who blame the other side of the ball are chicken $hit. Like I said, I'm an offensive guy. The defense played great. Offense couldn't move the sticks and the special teams collapsed.
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Post by justanothercoach on Apr 23, 2018 12:48:46 GMT -6
i totally agree on the play calling. when things snowball it can get bad in a hurry.
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Post by skinny51 on Apr 23, 2018 12:51:31 GMT -6
i just don't see the correclation to the 3&outs and the punt returned for a TD, KO Fumbled and D giving up a TD and the 1 play 60 yard TD run the D gave up and time of possession. now if the D had went out their and given a couple long drives after back to back 3 & outs. from what you said the first half and most of the 3rd was a 14-13 game. There had to be some 3 and outs in there before and they didn't lead to all the crazy scoring by Frenship Better clock management / play calling can help minimize the opportunity the other team has to make anything happen. That's how I view it from an offensive stand point. If I have 3 - 3&outs in a row and I've called 9 straight pass plays maybe I OUGHT TO look in the mirror. Certainly in THIS instance the offensive did not play well ALL game, the defense had played pretty solid. Special teams fell apart and led to a huge momentum swing and could be seen as ultimately leading to a team packing it in. I never blamed any one phase of the ball. Offense should have executed or called different stuff. Sure, the defense is going to have to come up with stops to win a dam game. Guys shouldn't fumble, guys should cover punts, special teams should have not made back to back mistakes. All that being said, I would put it on the offense. You know when a game is out of reach, you know that the calls you make can directly impact the flow of the game. If I'm down by 30, I'm not calling three fades in a row hoping to buy 6. You can get beat, most of the time you can prevent getting slaughtered. Sure things were manageable until they weren't. No reason to lose that game in that fashion. It snowballed and as playcaller on the offensive side of the ball I think you can play a larger part in stopping that then any other phase. I agree with you Roberto El Pollo, coaches who blame the other side of the ball are chicken $hit. Like I said, I'm an offensive guy. The defense played great. Offense couldn't move the sticks and the special teams collapsed. Call that touchdown play and you have nothing to worry about...
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Post by moxWASmybackup on Apr 23, 2018 12:54:10 GMT -6
Better clock management / play calling can help minimize the opportunity the other team has to make anything happen. That's how I view it from an offensive stand point. If I have 3 - 3&outs in a row and I've called 9 straight pass plays maybe I OUGHT TO look in the mirror. Certainly in THIS instance the offensive did not play well ALL game, the defense had played pretty solid. Special teams fell apart and led to a huge momentum swing and could be seen as ultimately leading to a team packing it in. I never blamed any one phase of the ball. Offense should have executed or called different stuff. Sure, the defense is going to have to come up with stops to win a dam game. Guys shouldn't fumble, guys should cover punts, special teams should have not made back to back mistakes. All that being said, I would put it on the offense. You know when a game is out of reach, you know that the calls you make can directly impact the flow of the game. If I'm down by 30, I'm not calling three fades in a row hoping to buy 6. You can get beat, most of the time you can prevent getting slaughtered. Sure things were manageable until they weren't. No reason to lose that game in that fashion. It snowballed and as playcaller on the offensive side of the ball I think you can play a larger part in stopping that then any other phase. I agree with you Roberto El Pollo, coaches who blame the other side of the ball are chicken $hit. Like I said, I'm an offensive guy. The defense played great. Offense couldn't move the sticks and the special teams collapsed. Call that touchdown play and you have nothing to worry about... Quit calling that fumble return and that Pick 6 play Coach and we might win a dam ball game..
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Post by justanothercoach on Apr 23, 2018 12:55:37 GMT -6
Better clock management / play calling can help minimize the opportunity the other team has to make anything happen. That's how I view it from an offensive stand point. If I have 3 - 3&outs in a row and I've called 9 straight pass plays maybe I OUGHT TO look in the mirror. Certainly in THIS instance the offensive did not play well ALL game, the defense had played pretty solid. Special teams fell apart and led to a huge momentum swing and could be seen as ultimately leading to a team packing it in. I never blamed any one phase of the ball. Offense should have executed or called different stuff. Sure, the defense is going to have to come up with stops to win a dam game. Guys shouldn't fumble, guys should cover punts, special teams should have not made back to back mistakes. All that being said, I would put it on the offense. You know when a game is out of reach, you know that the calls you make can directly impact the flow of the game. If I'm down by 30, I'm not calling three fades in a row hoping to buy 6. You can get beat, most of the time you can prevent getting slaughtered. Sure things were manageable until they weren't. No reason to lose that game in that fashion. It snowballed and as playcaller on the offensive side of the ball I think you can play a larger part in stopping that then any other phase. I agree with you Roberto El Pollo, coaches who blame the other side of the ball are chicken $hit. Like I said, I'm an offensive guy. The defense played great. Offense couldn't move the sticks and the special teams collapsed. Call that touchdown play and you have nothing to worry about... I don't know why they don't call it more. It works EVERY time!
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