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Post by acsl8ter on May 9, 2018 9:38:48 GMT -6
Thoughts
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Post by xdipster on May 9, 2018 12:34:48 GMT -6
Some access and the beginnings of diplomatic relations seemed like a positive step. Their gov't paints us as bad as we paint them, but their young population is still very pro-west, but nationalistic. They love Iran, but don't trust their govt. So we show them we arent terrible and anti-Iran by having this deal that got rid of 96% of their enriched uranium and all of their new high capacity centrifuges(2/3rd of their total capabilites for producing enriched uranium). We did this with the backing and joined by most of the EU and other western powers. Then the deal is broken, after Mad Dog Mattis says its working, and the rest of the Joint Chiefs agree its the best deal we could get. So how do you think I would feel if the most trusted of Trump's appointees were to be ignored? Mattis was an awesome move by Trump, because he is not a politician, and is all about being a patriot(I just bragged on Trump). I worry he is wiping out what should always be Plan A and going with Bolton's Plan B, which in Iraq Bolton's Plan A was war.
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Post by Burnet44 on May 9, 2018 13:57:47 GMT -6
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Post by Burnet44 on May 9, 2018 14:08:36 GMT -6
The Obama administration stymied a sprawling investigation into the terror group Hezbollah — and its highly lucrative drug- trafficking networks — to protect the Iran nuclear deal, according to a bombshell report.
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Post by xdipster on May 9, 2018 21:42:49 GMT -6
In breaking news, president's use media sources friendly to their message to get support for new policy positions. All except Trump, that stays far away from the brilliant minds at Fox and Friends.
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Post by Burnet44 on May 10, 2018 4:51:56 GMT -6
Did you read it.
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Post by xdipster on May 11, 2018 9:29:34 GMT -6
yes. solid opinion peace
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Post by Deleted on May 11, 2018 10:34:24 GMT -6
My opinion is that we should have stayed in the deal until we had another deal in place. It is easier to keep a nation from obtaining nuclear weapons than it is to make them get rid of them once they have them. The deal wasn't great, but it was keeping Iran from obtaining nuclear weapons. Now, there is nothing to stop them from becoming the next North Korea.
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Post by newcoach on May 14, 2018 8:35:57 GMT -6
My opinion is that we should have stayed in the deal until we had another deal in place. It is easier to keep a nation from obtaining nuclear weapons than it is to make them get rid of them once they have them. The deal wasn't great, but it was keeping Iran from obtaining nuclear weapons. Now, there is nothing to stop them from becoming the next North Korea. I hope they end up like NK. Trump has worked his magic on them without giving them money.
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Post by xdipster on May 14, 2018 9:06:13 GMT -6
There is no China like country that keeps Iran in line when it strays too far, like with North Korea. When did Iran get payments from US?
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Post by fbs on May 14, 2018 9:28:42 GMT -6
get this thread out of here and into the subboard.
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Post by xdipster on May 14, 2018 9:45:15 GMT -6
Yes, through a guy named Oliver North. North was convicted in 1987 I believe,but charges were dropped on a technicality and he was released. His part was actually taking the money from the sales and giving it to the Contra rebels that fought the Communist Sandanistas in Nicaragua. That broke a Congressionally passed law. We recently gave money that was Iran's back to them. Some say we paid them off. It was unfrozen as part of the Iran deal. It was never ours.
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Post by Burnet44 on May 14, 2018 14:07:18 GMT -6
The money came from a little-known fund administered by the Treasury Department for settling litigation claims. The so-called Judgment Fund is taxpayer money Congress has permanently approved in the event it's needed, allowing the president to bypass direct congressional approval to make a settlement. The U.S. previously paid out $278 million in Iran-related claims by using the fund in 1991.
Gotta stop drinking the kool aid
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Post by xdipster on May 14, 2018 15:35:35 GMT -6
The money came from a little-known fund administered by the Treasury Department for settling litigation claims. The so-called Judgment Fund is taxpayer money Congress has permanently approved in the event it's needed, allowing the president to bypass direct congressional approval to make a settlement. The U.S. previously paid out $278 million in Iran-related claims by using the fund in 1991. Gotta stop drinking the kool aid It allowed the bypassing of Congress, with the money already there. But the money was partially from frozen assets, and partially was paid in order to settle what might have been a much more costly case, depending on interest rate the Hague court decided on. No Kool Aid here. All facts. It wasn't a bribe as some Repubs say.
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Post by Burnet44 on May 14, 2018 21:38:05 GMT -6
To be a Bribe you have to get something in return
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Post by xdipster on May 15, 2018 10:22:04 GMT -6
You could call that a bribe, quid pro quo, or an agreement. Maybe a diplomatic solution to escalating likely hood of a rogue-ish nation getting the nuclear bomb.
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Post by Burnet44 on May 15, 2018 10:57:16 GMT -6
never signed bu Iranians
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Post by xdipster on May 15, 2018 11:53:31 GMT -6
Never passed by Congress either, but they were meeting benchmarks, as Sec. of Defense Mattis testified to.
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Post by Burnet44 on May 16, 2018 7:21:21 GMT -6
Obama did this on his own No treaty no real deal Just support them give them money Help our enemies You go do this and you will walk around Free ?
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Post by xdipster on May 16, 2018 10:04:02 GMT -6
diplomacy is the realm of the administration. Most significant arms agreement Since Reagan and Gorbachev. And taken down by Don Cheeto just because Obama did it. Now no deal. Lovely.
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