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Post by Okie on Jan 15, 2016 8:16:15 GMT -6
lol hope so
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Post by Hands11 on Jan 15, 2016 8:17:30 GMT -6
HAHAHHAHA!! Very true!
The DC's I have worked with on staffs in my career have never been worried by tempo. What they have all hated the most and considered the most difficult are teams who can run all the personnel formations with the same people on the field! i.e. Doubles one snap and any 2 back set the next snap with no one coming onto or leaving the field.
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Post by skinny51 on Jan 15, 2016 8:20:31 GMT -6
Good topic. I have been a no huddle coach my whole career, but always huddled as a player. I have been thinkin on this a lot lately. I think if you have the cats and can score a lot while putting pressure on the defense no huddle is the way to go. However when you're struggling on offense not such a good idea. Also when your numbers are small or you're at a small school and can't platoon, yes you're making the oppenents defense tired but you're also making your defense tired too cause your kids go both ways. I am becoming a fan of the short huddle.
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Post by tonymontana on Jan 15, 2016 8:23:52 GMT -6
HAHAHHAHA!! Very true! The DC's I have worked with on staffs in my career have never been worried by tempo. What they have all hated the most and considered the most difficult are teams who can run all the personnel formations with the same people on the field! i.e. Doubles one snap and any 2 back set the next snap with no one coming onto or leaving the field. At small school we would go really fast and not change personnel. It was nice. We also had great players which made it even more fun. |
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Post by ggf on Jan 15, 2016 8:44:23 GMT -6
I may be wrong but your OL need to be one way guys to tempo. Tempo has to be practiced every day in practice you cannot just simply do it one week and be effective with it and never practice. I am not saying you have to tempo the whole game but it better be practiced like it will be. Just giving my .02 with it also. I am no expert on it but you can go as slow as you want without huddling and I know it was brought up about huddling and not knowing what they come out in etc. However scouting and knowing personnel and who they run on and off plays a big role in knowing what formation is coming. Not to say its a science, but breakdown would be key and if they come out in something that is totally Fd call timeout. Sorry had to give both perspectives there.
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Post by Hands11 on Jan 15, 2016 8:44:31 GMT -6
Same thing i did at the small school level (2A). The no huddle was essential for our success! Like you said, we ran EVERYTHING we had with the same cats on the field. YES we had to be in dang good shape because 8 of us went both ways! We scored around 40 points a game and gave up 21 a game I believe and went 7-3.
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Post by ggf on Jan 15, 2016 8:45:40 GMT -6
HAHAHHAHA!! Very true! The DC's I have worked with on staffs in my career have never been worried by tempo. What they have all hated the most and considered the most difficult are teams who can run all the personnel formations with the same people on the field! i.e. Doubles one snap and any 2 back set the next snap with no one coming onto or leaving the field. This is huge. you can change your whole dynamic without changing kids, most people have to sub. |
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Post by Hands11 on Jan 15, 2016 8:47:02 GMT -6
I may be wrong but your OL need to be one way guys to tempo. Tempo has to be practiced every day in practice you cannot just simply do it one week and be effective with it and never practice. I am not saying you have to tempo the whole game but it better be practiced like it will be. Just giving my .02 with it also. I am no expert on it but you can go as slow as you want without huddling and I know it was brought up about huddling and not knowing what they come out in etc. However scouting and knowing personnel and who they run on and off plays a big role in knowing what formation is coming. Not to say its a science, but breakdown would be key and if they come out in something that is totally Fd call timeout. Sorry had to give both perspectives there. Not necessarily! It depends on their body and conditioning level and what kind of football player they are. Where i was, our biggest OL was 178lbs. So we had to start on the OL, and started the same kids at DE and ILB. Never came off the field! |
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Post by kennywayne9 on Jan 15, 2016 8:49:23 GMT -6
Not a big proponent of check with me. Some, not a bunch. I tend to believe that, like TM said the faster you go generally you will get a base look. It is like anything else though, you have to be ok with the D winning some also. Because they will. And you have to be able to adjust on the fly. I am a multiple tempo guy, think it is good to be able to go as fast or slow as you need to. I think the way Alabama uses tempo is perfect. They tempo out of nowhere. They got two TDs against Clemson off surprise tempo. |
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Post by skinny51 on Jan 15, 2016 8:50:21 GMT -6
I may be wrong but your OL need to be one way guys to tempo. Tempo has to be practiced every day in practice you cannot just simply do it one week and be effective with it and never practice. I am not saying you have to tempo the whole game but it better be practiced like it will be. Just giving my .02 with it also. I am no expert on it but you can go as slow as you want without huddling and I know it was brought up about huddling and not knowing what they come out in etc. However scouting and knowing personnel and who they run on and off plays a big role in knowing what formation is coming. Not to say its a science, but breakdown would be key and if they come out in something that is totally Fd call timeout. Sorry had to give both perspectives there. Yes sir and if you don't have the kids or numbers to platoon your lines then it makes it tough. There is merit to both. |
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Post by kennywayne9 on Jan 15, 2016 8:50:56 GMT -6
HAHAHHAHA!! Very true! The DC's I have worked with on staffs in my career have never been worried by tempo. What they have all hated the most and considered the most difficult are teams who can run all the personnel formations with the same people on the field! i.e. Doubles one snap and any 2 back set the next snap with no one coming onto or leaving the field. Ding, ding, ding... |
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Post by kennywayne9 on Jan 15, 2016 8:53:14 GMT -6
I may be wrong but your OL need to be one way guys to tempo. Tempo has to be practiced every day in practice you cannot just simply do it one week and be effective with it and never practice. I am not saying you have to tempo the whole game but it better be practiced like it will be. Just giving my .02 with it also. I am no expert on it but you can go as slow as you want without huddling and I know it was brought up about huddling and not knowing what they come out in etc. However scouting and knowing personnel and who they run on and off plays a big role in knowing what formation is coming. Not to say its a science, but breakdown would be key and if they come out in something that is totally Fd call timeout. Sorry had to give both perspectives there. Slow no huddle makes me smile as a DC. We can do whatever we want. Same with the check with me stuff. You check...we check. |
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Post by kennywayne9 on Jan 15, 2016 9:04:37 GMT -6
Another point from the other night...how many times did you see Clemson's defense looking over to Brent after the offense had lined up? Brent was trying to figure out the offensive structure before giving the call. There's no issue with this if the offense is in no huddle.
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Post by skinny51 on Jan 15, 2016 9:06:07 GMT -6
I have talked to three DC's, I consider to be really good, recently and they said no huddle doesn't bother them near as much anymore. They all said they hate short huddles because they have to have checks and the kids basically have to call it because they can't look at the sideline to get the call. I can see this being an issue.
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Post by tonymontana on Jan 15, 2016 9:09:01 GMT -6
I have talked to three DC's, I consider to be really good, recently and they said no huddle doesn't bother them near as much anymore. They all said they hate short huddles because they have to have checks and the kids basically have to call it because they can't look at the sideline to get the call. I can see this being an issue. I think you're on the right track skinny. |
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Post by kennywayne9 on Jan 15, 2016 9:10:45 GMT -6
I have talked to three DC's, I consider to be really good, recently and they said no huddle doesn't bother them near as much anymore. They all said they hate short huddles because they have to have checks and the kids basically have to call it because they can't look at the sideline to get the call. I can see this being an issue. Absolutely true. 100% |
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Post by skinny51 on Jan 15, 2016 9:11:24 GMT -6
I love no huddle, don't get me wrong. I think you have to do what is best for the kids you have. I don't think all teams have the personnel to no huddle. Shoot I don't think...I know from the last 3 years of experience!
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Post by skinny51 on Jan 15, 2016 9:13:23 GMT -6
Talked too one last night that is a DC down in Texas and he is a heck of a coach. He said first 9 games were no huddle teams and he smiled. Last game was a huddle team that ran up to the ball, got set and snapped it. He said it was terrible on him making his calls and the kids getting aligned and making the right calls.
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Post by tonymontana on Jan 15, 2016 9:15:43 GMT -6
Talked too one last night that is a DC down in Texas and he is a heck of a coach. He said first 9 games were no huddle teams and he smiled. Last game was a huddle team that ran up to the ball, got set and snapped it. He said it was terrible on him making his calls and the kids getting aligned and making the right calls. This too is something that takes a lot of practice time to get good at. I love doing this. |
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Post by kennywayne9 on Jan 15, 2016 9:17:03 GMT -6
Talked too one last night that is a DC down in Texas and he is a heck of a coach. He said first 9 games were no huddle teams and he smiled. Last game was a huddle team that ran up to the ball, got set and snapped it. He said it was terrible on him making his calls and the kids getting aligned and making the right calls. Same thing happened to me in '14. We saw all no huddle from week 4 until the semis. I struggled calling the game. I was way too slow getting the calls in for about 2 or 3 series. |
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