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Post by HAZAA on Apr 3, 2019 7:47:40 GMT -6
Does anyone else have a problem with the rule in Oklahoma that doesn't let incoming freshmen participate in spring ball but does let them participate in team camp? Basically, we can put them against other teams but we can't coach them up in any practices before hand. I know this isn't a big deal at the larger schools where freshmen aren't really used and have their own teams, but at the small school level, we count on freshmen. Seems like it would be a lot safer to let them practice for a few days instead of throwing them to the wolves at a team camp. Is there something I am missing or is it just another example of how worthless the OSSAA is?
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Post by speed on Apr 3, 2019 8:06:30 GMT -6
I believe it is showing the worthlessness of the OSSAA again, doesn't make a lot of sense how they have it structured now.
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Post by bolt92 on Apr 3, 2019 8:15:13 GMT -6
I have felt that the OSSAA has this wrong for years! However, here is the rule
Schools are allowed to conduct spring football practice for two hours a day after their students have completed all OSSAA activities
for the spring semester. Schools will be allowed 21 calendar days to complete their 10 spring practices beginning the first
opportunity the school has to practice. During the 10 days of practice, schools will not be allowed to conduct full-contact (“Thud”
or “Live Action”) drills on two consecutive days. Schools will only be allowed six total days where full-contact drills may be
conducted. Spring practice is limited to students in grades 9-11. Students who are currently in the 8th grade are not allowed to
participate in spring football practice. Regulation equipment for full contact drills may be used during spring practice. Interschool
scrimmages are not allowed and only students who are currently attending the school can participate in spring practice.
I think there may be a little wiggle room with the wording. After the last day of school, aren't current 8th graders considered 9th graders? Therefore, if some or all of the spring practices took place in the window of 21 days after the 8th graders were no longer 8th graders, wouldn't they be eligible to participate. I think that is the way it is worded? What do you guys think?
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Post by speed on Apr 3, 2019 8:26:32 GMT -6
I have felt that the OSSAA has this wrong for years! However, here is the rule Schools are allowed to conduct spring football practice for two hours a day after their students have completed all OSSAA activities for the spring semester. Schools will be allowed 21 calendar days to complete their 10 spring practices beginning the first opportunity the school has to practice. During the 10 days of practice, schools will not be allowed to conduct full-contact (“Thud” or “Live Action”) drills on two consecutive days. Schools will only be allowed six total days where full-contact drills may be conducted. Spring practice is limited to students in grades 9-11. Students who are currently in the 8th grade are not allowed toparticipate in spring football practice. Regulation equipment for full contact drills may be used during spring practice. Interschool scrimmages are not allowed and only students who are currently attending the school can participate in spring practice. I think there may be a little wiggle room with the wording. After the last day of school, aren't current 8th graders considered 9th graders? Therefore, if some or all of the spring practices took place in the window of 21 days after the 8th graders were no longer 8th graders, wouldn't they be eligible to participate. I think that is the way it is worded? What do you guys think?This is what I have tried to do when at small schools, as they are not considered 8th graders anymore once the year is completed. |
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Post by justanothercoach on Apr 3, 2019 8:31:49 GMT -6
I'm with you guys. When I was at a small school I always thought this was dumb. The way it all timed up for us, school would end and we could get 1 day with our incoming freshmen. then we would go to team camp, that would have a freshmen session, and it would be a struggle. Which I liked that it was just a freshmen session I was putting them in, instead of a varsity. But, we did have 1 or 2 that would work with our varsity kids.
From my understanding, After the bell rings the last day of school 8th graders are no longer 8th graders. So they can then participate 9-12 activities. So you can have some practices then. The only other work around that I can see is if you don't have in school middle school athletics you can have your 1 hour of athletic activity after school with just the 8th graders. Install what you want with them. But, if you have in school athletics you got to do it during the hour. But there is no way to work them with your current HS kids.
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Post by HAZAA on Apr 3, 2019 9:28:18 GMT -6
I have felt that the OSSAA has this wrong for years! However, here is the rule Schools are allowed to conduct spring football practice for two hours a day after their students have completed all OSSAA activities for the spring semester. Schools will be allowed 21 calendar days to complete their 10 spring practices beginning the first opportunity the school has to practice. During the 10 days of practice, schools will not be allowed to conduct full-contact (“Thud” or “Live Action”) drills on two consecutive days. Schools will only be allowed six total days where full-contact drills may be conducted. Spring practice is limited to students in grades 9-11. Students who are currently in the 8th grade are not allowed toparticipate in spring football practice. Regulation equipment for full contact drills may be used during spring practice. Interschool scrimmages are not allowed and only students who are currently attending the school can participate in spring practice. I think there may be a little wiggle room with the wording. After the last day of school, aren't current 8th graders considered 9th graders? Therefore, if some or all of the spring practices took place in the window of 21 days after the 8th graders were no longer 8th graders, wouldn't they be eligible to participate. I think that is the way it is worded? What do you guys think? This is the way I have always worked around it also. I can't even put together, in my head, what the spirit of the rule is. Lol. No one is benefiting. |
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Post by bolt92 on Apr 3, 2019 12:16:27 GMT -6
Agreed!
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Post by Hands11 on Apr 4, 2019 9:11:31 GMT -6
Does anyone else have a problem with the rule in Oklahoma that doesn't let incoming freshmen participate in spring ball but does let them participate in team camp? Basically, we can put them against other teams but we can't coach them up in any practices before hand. I know this isn't a big deal at the larger schools where freshmen aren't really used and have their own teams, but at the small school level, we count on freshmen. Seems like it would be a lot safer to let them practice for a few days instead of throwing them to the wolves at a team camp. Is there something I am missing or is it just another example of how worthless the OSSAA is? Yep I have NEVER understood the reasoning behind this. |
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Post by kennywayne9 on Apr 4, 2019 9:14:45 GMT -6
Does anyone else have a problem with the rule in Oklahoma that doesn't let incoming freshmen participate in spring ball but does let them participate in team camp? Basically, we can put them against other teams but we can't coach them up in any practices before hand. I know this isn't a big deal at the larger schools where freshmen aren't really used and have their own teams, but at the small school level, we count on freshmen. Seems like it would be a lot safer to let them practice for a few days instead of throwing them to the wolves at a team camp. Is there something I am missing or is it just another example of how worthless the OSSAA is? Yep I have NEVER understood the reasoning behind this. I should either be no spring ball and no team camp for the 8th graders or allow both. This rule makes as much sense as the "acclamation period" in August. We need 4 days of acclamation in August but we can knock heads day 1 in spring ball. |
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Post by Lebowski on Apr 4, 2019 9:17:00 GMT -6
Yep. Hey go play in a team camp and get your arse rocked. Makes zero sense.
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Post by Hands11 on Apr 4, 2019 9:17:29 GMT -6
Agreed! To me, if you have a to be freshmen that has a chance to play for you, it is actually SAFER for him to get coached up during your 10 days of spring ball, than having to try and work him in at team camp against other teams.
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Post by kennywayne9 on Apr 4, 2019 9:19:20 GMT -6
Agreed! To me, if you have a to be freshmen that has a chance to play for you, it is actually SAFER for him to get coached up during your 10 days of spring ball, than having to try and work him in at team camp against other teams. No question. In practice you can control the tempo and contact. That's no always the case at team camp. Those things often become a "who has the bigger unit" contest. |
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Post by justanothercoach on Apr 4, 2019 9:28:43 GMT -6
definitely an odd rule, especially since we have to wait to start spring practice till after all HS spring sports in our class our done. it's not like you're messing with any ms spring activities. it's almost like they think that since they gave us that 21 days or whatever to get our 10 practices in that we should be happy. i don't think they take into account at small schools were we are sharing kids we are trying to get our 10 days in before kids have to start dealing with summer basketball and baseball.
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Post by Hands11 on Apr 4, 2019 9:33:12 GMT -6
definitely an odd rule, especially since we have to wait to start spring practice till after all HS spring sports in our class our done. it's not like you're messing with any ms spring activities. it's almost like they think that since they gave us that 21 days or whatever to get our 10 practices in that we should be happy. i don't think they take into account at small schools were we are sharing kids we are trying to get our 10 days in before kids have to start dealing with summer basketball and baseball. I agree with having to start after the other sports. Why would you not? h3ll I got 20 kids in other sports |
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Post by kennywayne9 on Apr 4, 2019 9:35:32 GMT -6
definitely an odd rule, especially since we have to wait to start spring practice till after all HS spring sports in our class our done. it's not like you're messing with any ms spring activities. it's almost like they think that since they gave us that 21 days or whatever to get our 10 practices in that we should be happy. i don't think they take into account at small schools were we are sharing kids we are trying to get our 10 days in before kids have to start dealing with summer basketball and baseball. "Schools are allowed to conduct spring football practice for two hours a day after their students have completed all OSSAA activities for the spring semester." If I read this correctly, you can start practice as soon as your school's spring sports are done. That is a change from the last time I looked this rule up. |
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Post by Hands11 on Apr 4, 2019 9:38:08 GMT -6
definitely an odd rule, especially since we have to wait to start spring practice till after all HS spring sports in our class our done. it's not like you're messing with any ms spring activities. it's almost like they think that since they gave us that 21 days or whatever to get our 10 practices in that we should be happy. i don't think they take into account at small schools were we are sharing kids we are trying to get our 10 days in before kids have to start dealing with summer basketball and baseball. "Schools are allowed to conduct spring football practice for two hours a day after their students have completed all OSSAA activities for the spring semester." If I read this correctly, you can start practice as soon as your school's spring sports are done. That is a change from the last time I looked this rule up. YES! It now says "their students" |
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Post by kennywayne9 on Apr 4, 2019 9:41:08 GMT -6
It used to say "all spring activities" which meant every school in the state had to wait til all spring sports were done. We all could start on the same day regardless of class.
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Post by justanothercoach on Apr 4, 2019 9:54:39 GMT -6
HOLD ON!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
This is a big deal. When did this change?
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Post by HAZAA on Apr 4, 2019 9:55:41 GMT -6
I think that we can all agree that the OSS-double A holes have no idea what they are doing.
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Post by kennywayne9 on Apr 4, 2019 10:27:37 GMT -6
HOLD ON!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! This is a big deal. When did this change? No clue. Last time I looked it up we all had the same start date regardless of class. That rule got broken all the time by small schools. |
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