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Post by justanothercoach on May 1, 2019 9:09:02 GMT -6
Alternative Certificate Degree Pass General Ed Test Pass Professional Teaching Test Pass Subject Area Complete so many hours of professional development (They will issue a temporary certificate that will last for 3 years (?) while you complete the professional development hours and pass the professional teaching exam.) All that may not me 100% accurate. But pretty dang close. No you do not have to be a certified teacher to coach in Oklahoma. Goes back to the numbers, population, there's just not enough certified teacher/coaches out there. Which sucks. Be a lot cooler if there was. You basically nailed it in regards to the alternative route, except you take your subject area before you take the professional exam and you get 3 years before that comes due. What has happened in the past 5 plus years many schools are wanting to have a majority of their coaches in the building/classroom. The adjunct/lay coaching position has become almost non-existent because some guys can't do it because of schedule conflicts or $$$ issues.totally disagree. a lot of schools. especially smaller schools. are going to more lay/adjunct coaches. especially your non big 3 sports. the last school i was at, 3A/2A has had back to back lay head wrestling coaches, head track and cross country where also non certified at one point also. i'm hearing Davis is trying to hire a 'lay' coach for their head basketball opening. hoping to get someone retired in there. my old high school has 2 football coaches for the entire program. the rest are all lay. where i am currently, a large school, to completely fill out our staff we have a couple lay coaches.
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Post by jmstreeter on May 1, 2019 10:20:36 GMT -6
Alternative Certificate Degree Pass General Ed Test Pass Professional Teaching Test Pass Subject Area Complete so many hours of professional development (They will issue a temporary certificate that will last for 3 years (?) while you complete the professional development hours and pass the professional teaching exam.) All that may not me 100% accurate. But pretty dang close. No you do not have to be a certified teacher to coach in Oklahoma. Goes back to the numbers, population, there's just not enough certified teacher/coaches out there. Which sucks. Be a lot cooler if there was. You basically nailed it in regards to the alternative route, except you take your subject area before you take the professional exam and you get 3 years before that comes due. What has happened in the past 5 plus years many schools are wanting to have a majority of their coaches in the building/classroom. The adjunct/lay coaching position has become almost non-existent because some guys can't do it because of schedule conflicts or $$$ issues.totally disagree. a lot of schools. especially smaller schools. are going to more lay/adjunct coaches. especially your non big 3 sports. the last school i was at, 3A/2A has had back to back lay head wrestling coaches, head track and cross country where also non certified at one point also. i'm hearing Davis is trying to hire a 'lay' coach for their head basketball opening. hoping to get someone retired in there. my old high school has 2 football coaches for the entire program. the rest are all lay. where i am currently, a large school, to completely fill out our staff we have a couple lay coaches. Well let me rephrase that, the place I am at which is a 6A school is wanting their coaches especially the ones that are football to certified and some other 6A and 5A schools where I know the coaches there are saying that their admin is wanting the HCs to hire coaches who are able to be in the building on a full-time basis. And I do know at a 2A power that is definitely wanting their coaches to be in the building full-time.
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Post by justanothercoach on May 1, 2019 10:43:19 GMT -6
I do think your 6A and 5A schools try to. And your more successful ones accomplish this. I know a 2A power as well, that has a large staff because of lay coaches and very they're creative with hires. The largest school in the state had lay coaches on their staff at least at the sub-varsity level.
Over the last 5 years, because of the budget scare just a year and a half ago, a lot of schools are still understaffed teacher wise. admin are hiring teachers first. it sucks. you want to know why some programs are terrible and continue to stay terrible. it's not that they make 1 bad hire. they don't staff their sports teams. i get it, there's a bottom line that some of them are dealing with. the reality is there's a some schools that were closer to shutting their doors than some realize. the threat was real and for others they could see it on the horizon and started making a lot moves to try and prevent it. which meant cutting a lot teaching spots.
i'd be interested to know how many guys on here that coach in Oklahoma that have lay/non certified/not in the school building coaches on their staff or at their school.
This last season we had 3 in just football alone.
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Post by Lebowski on May 1, 2019 10:47:49 GMT -6
Where I am we have 4.
Problem is getting the middle school staffed properly.
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Post by jmstreeter on May 1, 2019 10:58:40 GMT -6
We have 3 here at my school, 1 will not return next year, 1 is hanging on by a thread, because if he doesn't pass his subject area test he is out and the other will be on the last year of his provisional for the 2019-2020 school year. My HC said our head principal is not letting him hire no more guys that don't have their cert or that don't have their subject area test passed.
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Post by justanothercoach on May 1, 2019 11:04:00 GMT -6
We have 3 here at my school, 1 will not return next year, 1 is hanging on by a thread, because if he doesn't pass his subject area test he is out and the other will be on the last year of his provisional for the 2019-2020 school year. My HC said our head principal is not letting him hire no more guys that don't have their cert or that don't have their subject area test passed. Is the principal going to give the HC teaching spots to fill the coaching openings. I totally get why schools would only want certified coaches. But, I just don't see the practicality in it right now. Especially where education is in oklahoma right now. there's not any teacher's out there. let alone coaches.
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Post by jmstreeter on May 1, 2019 11:23:52 GMT -6
We have 3 here at my school, 1 will not return next year, 1 is hanging on by a thread, because if he doesn't pass his subject area test he is out and the other will be on the last year of his provisional for the 2019-2020 school year. My HC said our head principal is not letting him hire no more guys that don't have their cert or that don't have their subject area test passed. Is the principal going to give the HC teaching spots to fill the coaching openings. I totally get why schools would only want certified coaches. But, I just don't see the practicality in it right now. Especially where education is in oklahoma right now. there's not any teacher's out there. let alone coaches. Our HC is the AD at our school, so he doesn't teach, but all our other coaches on staff teach at least 5 classes. The problem is that the 3 guys I mentioned previously, 2 have been on emergency certs the past 2 years and have not put in a strong effort to complete their certifications. 1 hasn't passed the general ed test and hasn't retook it since last year and the other just past his general ed test after the 5th or 6th time last year and he just took his subject area test a few weeks ago.
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Post by justanothercoach on May 1, 2019 12:20:18 GMT -6
how bad do you really want to coach if you aren't willing to complete your cert. it's not hard. and how can you not pass the general ed test. sorry if you are reading this and didn't pass the OGET, 1. i question that you can actually read this and 2. it's easier than the ACT.
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Post by jmstreeter on May 1, 2019 12:43:58 GMT -6
How crazy is this? This same guy from earlier has gotten 2 Master degrees instead of completing his teaching certification.
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Post by Lebowski on May 1, 2019 12:49:54 GMT -6
How crazy is this? This same guy from earlier has gotten 2 Master degrees instead of completing his teaching certification. I know who your talking about...
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Post by jmstreeter on May 1, 2019 12:50:37 GMT -6
How crazy is this? This same guy from earlier has gotten 2 Master degrees instead of completing his teaching certification. I know who your talking about... I know that you do!!!
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Post by Lebowski on May 1, 2019 12:54:19 GMT -6
Cause your track coach told me about it...
Easy concept
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Post by justanothercoach on May 2, 2019 8:03:13 GMT -6
How crazy is this? This same guy from earlier has gotten 2 Master degrees instead of completing his teaching certification. the same guy that can't pass the OGET on multiple tries?
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Post by newcoach on May 2, 2019 9:13:39 GMT -6
How crazy is this? This same guy from earlier has gotten 2 Master degrees instead of completing his teaching certification. the same guy that can't pass the OGET on multiple tries? he does realize that its the equivalent of singing your ABCs right? Did he try to go to mcdonalds and buy a happy meal? I hear it comes with one of those now. Doesnt Elbow have his?
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Post by jmstreeter on May 2, 2019 9:20:37 GMT -6
the same guy that can't pass the OGET on multiple tries? he does realize that its the equivalent of singing your ABCs right? Did he try to go to mcdonalds and buy a happy meal? I hear it comes with one of those now. Doesnt Elbow have his? Yes the very same guy!!!
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Post by justanothercoach on May 2, 2019 12:04:40 GMT -6
these guys don't want to coach. they just want to be a coach.
preach to kids about taking the classroom seriously and all that stuff. you can't handle your business.
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Post by xdipster on May 6, 2019 12:24:45 GMT -6
We have just one that is uncertified. Had 2 that were certified but teaching emergency until they passed their test in a new subject matter, which both did. Like you said, if you want to preach about getting it done in class, take what happens in class seriously. I think the young guys here have shown a willingness to do that. I've been at places where that isn't the case.
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Post by jmstreeter on May 7, 2019 7:26:25 GMT -6
How many emergency certifications can you receive?
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Post by Hoss on May 7, 2019 7:33:03 GMT -6
So what I am seeing is you don't need to be certified in Oklahoma, as long as you have more years of service than life.
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Post by justanothercoach on May 7, 2019 7:51:59 GMT -6
How many emergency certifications can you receive? not sure i u understand your question
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