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Post by givepullorpitch on Feb 5, 2016 10:08:56 GMT -6
You guys can't imagine. Some of you know I'm on the bill paying side of this game now. I know how frustrated you are about getting squeezed on everything from salary to money to run your programs. I'm telling you, there isn't any left. It will get worse before it gets better. Sorry for the rant
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Post by fbcoach78 on Feb 5, 2016 10:10:23 GMT -6
But let's also be honest...the state of affairs really had very little to do with any of the coaches going. They all got raises and went. It is not like they were being paid bad to begin with. It just made for an easier way of going. Rogers did not pay like what is being offered now, until the board stepped in and did it.
But back to sign erection and pop talk!!!
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Post by kennywayne9 on Feb 5, 2016 10:14:09 GMT -6
But let's also be honest...the state of affairs really had very little to do with any of the coaches going. They all got raises and went. It is not like they were being paid bad to begin with. It just made for an easier way of going. Rogers did not pay like what is being offered now, until the board stepped in and did it. But back to sign erection and pop talk!!! What hit me was what the Altus coach said.
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Post by givepullorpitch on Feb 5, 2016 10:15:37 GMT -6
But let's also be honest...the state of affairs really had very little to do with any of the coaches going. They all got raises and went. It is not like they were being paid bad to begin with. It just made for an easier way of going. Rogers did not pay like what is being offered now, until the board stepped in and did it. But back to sign erection and pop talk!!! Yes and no. Arkansas contributes $1500 per student more than Oklahoma. Revenue make a huge difference. They can pay people more competively.
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Post by kennywayne9 on Feb 5, 2016 10:15:57 GMT -6
You guys can't imagine. Some of you know I'm on the bill paying side of this game now. I know how frustrated you are about getting squeezed on everything from salary to money to run your programs. I'm telling you, there isn't any left. It will get worse before it gets better. Sorry for the rant I know. There's no where left to cut. We have a bit of a buffer in our district because we don't rely as heavily on state aid. It's still bad, but not like it could be. I can only imagine how bad it is at the smaller schools where they get 80-90% of the budget from state aid.
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Post by kennywayne9 on Feb 5, 2016 10:16:41 GMT -6
But let's also be honest...the state of affairs really had very little to do with any of the coaches going. They all got raises and went. It is not like they were being paid bad to begin with. It just made for an easier way of going. Rogers did not pay like what is being offered now, until the board stepped in and did it. But back to sign erection and pop talk!!! Yes and no. Arkansas contributes $1500 per student more than Oklahoma. Revenue make a huge difference. They can pay people more competively. No one ever wants to talk about revenue. Tax is a four letter word in Oklahoma.
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Post by TOBC on Feb 5, 2016 10:16:59 GMT -6
You guys can't imagine. Some of you know I'm on the bill paying side of this game now. I know how frustrated you are about getting squeezed on everything from salary to money to run your programs. I'm telling you, there isn't any left. It will get worse before it gets better. Sorry for the rant and that's the problem. fallin and her idiot cronies hedged their bets on education being funded by the oil industry. when those prices took a major dump and short changed the coffers, there wasn't a residual plan, like corporate taxes to help stem the cuts because she has lowered those taxes to almost nothing. she's been called the worst governor in the country and i'm thinking they are right.
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Post by kennywayne9 on Feb 5, 2016 10:18:37 GMT -6
You guys can't imagine. Some of you know I'm on the bill paying side of this game now. I know how frustrated you are about getting squeezed on everything from salary to money to run your programs. I'm telling you, there isn't any left. It will get worse before it gets better. Sorry for the rant and that's the problem. fallin and her idiot cronies hedged their bets on education being funded by the oil industry. when those prices took a major dump and short changed the coffers, there wasn't a residual plan, like corporate taxes to help stem the cuts because she has lowered those taxes to almost nothing. she's been called the worst governor in the country and i'm thinking they are right. They were cutting education when they had RECORD oil prices. If they weren't going to fund it then, they are never going to.
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Post by givepullorpitch on Feb 5, 2016 10:20:53 GMT -6
You guys can't imagine. Some of you know I'm on the bill paying side of this game now. I know how frustrated you are about getting squeezed on everything from salary to money to run your programs. I'm telling you, there isn't any left. It will get worse before it gets better. Sorry for the rant I know. There's no where left to cut. We have a bit of a buffer in our district because we don't rely as heavily on state aid. It's still bad, but not like it could be. I can only imagine how bad it is at the smaller schools where they get 80-90% of the budget from state aid. You make a good point. To counter that point, we are a high ad valorem district also. In the economic downturn, people have been slow to pay their property taxes. Not to mention we have been trying to make payroll beginning in July without revenue stream until taxes hopefully come in during Jan feb mar.
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Post by TOBC on Feb 5, 2016 10:25:14 GMT -6
and that's the problem. fallin and her idiot cronies hedged their bets on education being funded by the oil industry. when those prices took a major dump and short changed the coffers, there wasn't a residual plan, like corporate taxes to help stem the cuts because she has lowered those taxes to almost nothing. she's been called the worst governor in the country and i'm thinking they are right. They were cutting education when they had RECORD oil prices. If they weren't going to fund it then, they are never going to. agreed. and when the oil prices fell off it took an even bigger hit to education. she's a big fan of vouchers as well, which only throws fuel onto the public school funding fire.
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Post by kennywayne9 on Feb 5, 2016 10:26:02 GMT -6
I know. There's no where left to cut. We have a bit of a buffer in our district because we don't rely as heavily on state aid. It's still bad, but not like it could be. I can only imagine how bad it is at the smaller schools where they get 80-90% of the budget from state aid. You make a good point. To counter that point, we are a high ad valorem district also. In the economic downturn, people have been slow to pay their property taxes. Not to mention we have been trying to make payroll beginning in July without revenue stream until taxes hopefully come in during Jan feb mar. What do you think about the consolidation movement? My kids go to a K-8 school, so selfishly, I don't want to see them forced into the neighboring district.
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Post by TOBC on Feb 5, 2016 10:29:40 GMT -6
i've heard some talk of county superintendents. not so much consolidating school districts, but consolidating administration.
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Post by kennywayne9 on Feb 5, 2016 10:33:32 GMT -6
i've heard some talk of county superintendents. not so much consolidating school districts, but consolidating administration. There's a bill to force all K-8 to consolidate their admin with other districts. Horrible idea. It wouldn't save any money. At my kids school there are 3 admins. One for K-3, 4-6, 7-8/Supt. They all do so much more than just their principal gig. Not to mention, they don't make near the coin that admins in other districts make.
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Post by tonymontana on Feb 5, 2016 10:33:57 GMT -6
i've heard some talk of county superintendents. not so much consolidating school districts, but consolidating administration. Stupid idea.
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Post by givepullorpitch on Feb 5, 2016 10:36:07 GMT -6
i've heard some talk of county superintendents. not so much consolidating school districts, but consolidating administration. Been there done that. It didn't work then either
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Post by TOBC on Feb 5, 2016 10:39:32 GMT -6
i've heard some talk of county superintendents. not so much consolidating school districts, but consolidating administration. There's a bill to force all K-8 to consolidate their admin with other districts. Horrible idea. It wouldn't save any money. At my kids school there are 3 admins. One for K-3, 4-6, 7-8/Supt. They all do so much more than just their principal gig. Not to mention, they don't make near the coin that admins in other districts make. i too think it's a dumb idea. a friend of mine that i went to high school with teaches at justus-tiawah between pryor and claremore and she has been going on about it on facebook. the admin at those schools wear many hats are vital to those schools being able to function.
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Post by kennywayne9 on Feb 5, 2016 10:42:33 GMT -6
There's a bill to force all K-8 to consolidate their admin with other districts. Horrible idea. It wouldn't save any money. At my kids school there are 3 admins. One for K-3, 4-6, 7-8/Supt. They all do so much more than just their principal gig. Not to mention, they don't make near the coin that admins in other districts make. i too think it's a dumb idea. a friend of mine that i went to high school with teaches at justus-tiawah between pryor and claremore and she has been going on about it on facebook. the admin at those schools wear many hats are vital to those schools being able to function. That's where my kids go.
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Post by xdipster on Feb 5, 2016 10:45:28 GMT -6
Agreed. And a lot of our legislators dont even read the fill in the blank legislation pre-wrote for them. Just introduce it and get your check. It's so much worse than you realize. I'm getting a look into this process with my buddy being in the senate. He's been there a week and is already griping about how no one there DOES anything. They sign in and disappear. He has been there early every morning trying to READ the legislation. He says no one else does. Yup. I oversimplified, but they are living off the teat of a well oiled organization. Bonuses for getting stuff passed. Democracy for the highest bidder.
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Post by TOBC on Feb 5, 2016 11:12:56 GMT -6
It's so much worse than you realize. I'm getting a look into this process with my buddy being in the senate. He's been there a week and is already griping about how no one there DOES anything. They sign in and disappear. He has been there early every morning trying to READ the legislation. He says no one else does. Yup. I oversimplified, but they are living off the teat of a well oiled organization. Bonuses for getting stuff passed. Democracy for the highest bidder. if you want a prime example of a politician being bought and paid for by lobbyists, one would need to look no further than fallin. she's worthless. too bad we have to put with her for another 2 years.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 5, 2016 11:14:16 GMT -6
Politicians need to go prison. They do worse things than we do. Excuse me, allegedly do.
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