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Post by strongdog on Apr 8, 2016 9:56:19 GMT -6
Saw this posted on another coaches forum an it made me think. Why is it perfectly fine for a HC to apply/look for jobs and interview with other schools but if an assistant does it he is sometimes branded as disloyal to the head man? The HC does this and doesn't tell anyone but it's a big no-no for anyone else. I get that their jobs are more "high profile" and all that jazz. But, if an assistant leaves he is easily replaced (in most instances) and no ones job is effected/affected (?). If a headman leaves everyone is usually up sh*t creek. Just got me thinking, what are your thoughts on this from you guys that are HC's and from guys that are assistants?
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Post by Hitch on Apr 8, 2016 10:11:08 GMT -6
I agree, brotha. I've always been told to 'let me know' if you're looking. It's bad mojo if an assistant is looking but doesn't inform HC and/or AD. They always cite loyalty. I understand that. But loyalty is a two way street. It seems when the HC's are looking, there is no need to inform the assistants.....crazy
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Post by Deleted on Apr 8, 2016 10:13:21 GMT -6
Communication is the key for anyone pursing another position. Your immediate supervisor/boss should always be in the "loop" if you are considering another job. There is not the same expectation to notify employees under your position within the organization. Ex: HC doesn't have to let all of his assistants know when he is applying for another position, but the HC better let his boss/supervisor know ahead of the process. If you don't let your boss/supervisor know, you better get that job. Failure to comply could cause lots of problems........at least it will at this place.
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Post by bigern809 on Apr 8, 2016 11:23:19 GMT -6
Loyalty is a two way street, like whoever said earlier. Some HC's forget that I think.
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Post by skinny51 on Apr 8, 2016 11:51:21 GMT -6
Loyalty is earned. I am not just going to give it to anyone. That's a two way street so I think every situation is different. Hate hearing well in the old school crap. People from the beginning of time have had to earn loyalty and respect. You treat me with respect and loyalty the. You will get it in return.
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Post by skinny51 on Apr 8, 2016 11:52:15 GMT -6
Doesn't matter if it's a head coach, assistant coach, bean counter, astronaut, burger flipper,etc.
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Post by Hitch on Apr 8, 2016 11:53:28 GMT -6
TROOF! PREACH!!
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Post by Deleted on Apr 8, 2016 11:55:32 GMT -6
Loyalty is earned. I am not just going to give it to anyone. That's a two way street so I think every situation is different. Hate hearing well in the old school crap. People from the beginning of time have had to earn loyalty and respect. You treat me with respect and loyalty the. You will get it in return. Question: If your boss doesn't tell you when he/she has applied for another job, is that lack of loyalty to you?
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Post by skinny51 on Apr 8, 2016 11:57:56 GMT -6
I feel like I should tell anyone that it could affect/effect(?) their employment status or decisions in personnel or their personal life. Most the time when I have looked I am 100% done with a place. Not putting out feelers...I am already done and moving on. I also tell my supervisors and coworkers (coaches) everytime I get asked from other coaches if I would want to come coach at their place. Don't need them hearing stuff from the rumor mill. However if you haven't earned my loyalty, screw off cause you're on a need to know basis regardless if you're my supervisor, co workers, or subordinates
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Post by skinny51 on Apr 8, 2016 12:00:28 GMT -6
^^^sorry if that's hard to follow^^^
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Post by Hitch on Apr 8, 2016 12:00:38 GMT -6
KD, I see it as a lack of loyalty. But I also know that this happens all the time, it's part of the business. The loyalty thing, to me, is way more of a one way street a lot of times........
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Post by skinny51 on Apr 8, 2016 12:01:37 GMT -6
Then again no I'm not sorry. If you can't smell what I'm stepping in that's not my problem.
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Post by skinny51 on Apr 8, 2016 12:04:18 GMT -6
KD, I see it as a lack of loyalty. But I also know that this happens all the time, it's part of the business. The loyalty thing, to me, is way more of a one way street a lot of times........ I agree. It's a cop out and a lack of loyalty to a staff of a HC is actively looking and doesn't tell his staff. They need to know so they can be prepared to look and don't get blind sided. Some men (HC's) are only about themselves and make excuses how it's different for them. I call BS...it's selfish and cowardly.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 8, 2016 12:09:01 GMT -6
I am where one of the assistants was applying for head jobs every spring and found out that they hired someone else for his job before he had another. I don't mind saying something within a few days of the interview that I am about to interview but don't start looking to replace me if I haven't found something.
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Post by skinny51 on Apr 8, 2016 12:11:34 GMT -6
I am where one of the assistants was applying for head jobs every spring and found out that they hired someone else for his job before he had another. As a HC I want assistants that want to be HCs. I tell them all to do all the interviewing they can. Will help my assistants anyway I can and will give them any of my HC packets or materials. It's my job to help them to where they want to go because they are helping me get to where I want to go.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 8, 2016 12:13:13 GMT -6
And you would be the exception. I know that I am looking in a far away place out east. It allows my better half to be closer to her family and help them out. But I know that I will be replaced before I find anything out there.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 8, 2016 12:20:05 GMT -6
KD, I see it as a lack of loyalty. But I also know that this happens all the time, it's part of the business. The loyalty thing, to me, is way more of a one way street a lot of times........ I agree. It's a cop out and a lack of loyalty to a staff of a HC is actively looking and doesn't tell his staff. They need to know so they can be prepared to look and don't get blind sided. Some men (HC's) are only about themselves and make excuses how it's different for them. I call BS...it's selfish and cowardly. Good discussion & good points of view. I worked for a HC that got his feelings hurt if any of his assistants looked into other jobs. Soon, the assistants learned to not tell him anything. HC was a poor communicator on most everything anyway.......Our Supe has a lot of people that work for him, I don't expect him to let me know if he applied for another job. Just me.....
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Post by Deleted on Apr 8, 2016 12:21:03 GMT -6
Well I would agree with most of the following on loyalty. Dance with the one that brought ya. But if you aren't being informed about your place why be courteous in informing of feelers?
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Post by skinny51 on Apr 8, 2016 12:21:12 GMT -6
I agree. It's a cop out and a lack of loyalty to a staff of a HC is actively looking and doesn't tell his staff. They need to know so they can be prepared to look and don't get blind sided. Some men (HC's) are only about themselves and make excuses how it's different for them. I call BS...it's selfish and cowardly. Good discussion & good points of view. I worked for a HC that got his feelings hurt if any of his assistants looked into other jobs. Soon, the assistants learned to not tell him anything. HC was a poor communicator on most everything anyway.......Our Supe has a lot of people that work for him, I don't expect him to let me know if he applied for another job. Just me..... Good point on the supe...
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Post by Burnet44 on Apr 8, 2016 12:28:46 GMT -6
its not just a question of loyalty of which I agree its also the hc admin ect wanting the best for you and your family I have always been helpful to those looking for whatever reason family money better position ect every hc should want whats is best for his coaches and help them anyway they can which is loyalty to your coaches in a way
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