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Post by tonymontana on Dec 7, 2016 8:06:54 GMT -6
Stud drinking early today???
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Post by tonymontana on Dec 7, 2016 8:13:26 GMT -6
I see it now
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Post by xdipster on Dec 7, 2016 8:54:45 GMT -6
don't worry dip, stud heard that hillary was a close second....just like in the election.... She won the most votes, but the editorial college chose Trump because thats the rules.
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Post by tonymontana on Dec 7, 2016 8:57:49 GMT -6
don't worry dip, stud heard that hillary was a close second....just like in the election.... She won the most votes, but the editorial college chose Trump because thats the rules. So Dip would you want to get rid of Electoral college???
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Post by xdipster on Dec 7, 2016 9:30:40 GMT -6
She won the most votes, but the editorial college chose Trump because thats the rules. So Dip would you want to get rid of Electoral college??? If I say yes now it looks like sour grapes. And I would have said yes before this election. Arguments to get rid of it: 1. It had its place back in the day when technology was what it is. Today we have the ability to know instantaneously the outcome of the vote. 2. It could time and money. People running the polls, polling places, and the EC itself could all be gotten rid of. 3. EC doesn't have to vote the way the people decided. Not just talking popular vote here. If they wanted to, they could nullify the EC majority and still vote Hillary in, or Jill Stein or anybody in theory. If its not beholden to the people, and we are a country of the people, for the people, and by the people, then why is this still a part of the system? There are others. But this year has told me that we aren't ready to go that route. First of all, politically, this would be the end of the Republican party so its a non-starter. The Republican party will never win the majority vote again. I also don't think it really matters, since with all that was up for grabs this year, still less than 50% voted. Pretty sad. This year, looking at the recount, I think technology, without a paper trail, is a dangerous thing when it comes to the vote. If we use the technology we have correctly, we can get rid of the electoral college. Heck, we could vote from home in theory with a code and the code could just be used once an election. Could save time and money. We just aren't there yet, because politics is being played with our most fundamental right.
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Post by Hitch on Dec 7, 2016 9:32:35 GMT -6
Dip will deal with it, just as all the conservatives dealt with the Obama election.
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Post by xdipster on Dec 7, 2016 9:34:36 GMT -6
Dip will deal with it, just as all the conservatives dealt with the Obama election. How bad was Obama? Really? He didn't pick appointments to cabinet positions that are diametrically apposed to said positions. We are a heck of a lot better now than when he took office. And by himself I might add.
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Post by TOBC on Dec 7, 2016 9:35:16 GMT -6
So Dip would you want to get rid of Electoral college??? If I say yes now it looks like sour grapes. And I would have said yes before this election. Arguments to get rid of it: 1. It had its place back in the day when technology was what it is. Today we have the ability to know instantaneously the outcome of the vote. 2. It could time and money. People running the polls, polling places, and the EC itself could all be gotten rid of. 3. EC doesn't have to vote the way the people decided. Not just talking popular vote here. If they wanted to, they could nullify the EC majority and still vote Hillary in, or Jill Stein or anybody in theory. If its not beholden to the people, and we are a country of the people, for the people, and by the people, then why is this still a part of the system? There are others. But this year has told me that we aren't ready to go that route. First of all, politically, this would be the end of the Republican party so its a non-starter. The Republican party will never win the majority vote again. I also don't think it really matters, since with all that was up for grabs this year, still less than 50% voted. Pretty sad. This year, looking at the recount, I think technology, without a paper trail, is a dangerous thing when it comes to the vote. If we use the technology we have correctly, we can get rid of the electoral college. Heck, we could vote from home in theory with a code and the code could just be used once an election. Could save time and money. We just aren't there yet, because politics is being played with our most fundamental right. uh fudge all that. the electoral college makes it to where only the highly populated coastal states aren't the ones choosing our presidents. it gives those in the south and midwest a place at the table too. which is why trump won. because he won the most states. you can look at any election map you want. the only counties that hillary, and even obama, won were the large metropolitan areas. why should the city people be able to determine the presidency every 4 years while those of us out in the sticks would virtually get no say?
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Post by xdipster on Dec 7, 2016 9:36:38 GMT -6
Why should just the rural places choose? It is 50 50 pretty much. We have been divided that way for 16 years pretty much.
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Post by TOBC on Dec 7, 2016 9:39:10 GMT -6
Dip will deal with it, just as all the conservatives dealt with the Obama election. How bad was Obama? Really? He didn't pick appointments to cabinet positions that are diametrically apposed to said positions. We are a heck of a lot better now than when he took office. And by himself I might add. obamacare is a complete disaster. the country is more racially divided than at any point in history. our military is now perceived as weak around the world. the unemployment rate is at 4.6%, but the workforce participation rate is at 62%, which is a 40 year low. in other words, the labor department doesn't count those who have given up looking for a job. the iran deal was garbage from the onset. israel, once our staunchest ally in the middle east, does not trust us to have their back. government spending has been at an all time high. etc.
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Post by xdipster on Dec 7, 2016 9:44:34 GMT -6
obamacare is a complete disaster. opinion the country is more racially divided than at any point in history. opinion our military is now perceived as weak around the world. opinion the unemployment rate is at 4.6%, but the workforce participation rate is at 62%, which is a 40 year low. in other words, the labor department doesn't count those who have given up looking for a job. No passage of jobs bills by congress, so where do we want to lay the blame the iran deal was garbage from the onset. opinion israel, once our staunchest ally in the middle east, does not trust us to have their back. opinion government spending has been at an all time high. Deficit cut by 2/3rds under him etc.
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Post by TOBC on Dec 7, 2016 9:44:37 GMT -6
Why should just the rural places choose? It is 50 50 pretty much. We have been divided that way for 16 years pretty much. i'm not saying they should. but if you got rid of the electoral college, their votes are pretty much a wash compared to those that live in the cities.
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Post by xdipster on Dec 7, 2016 9:45:25 GMT -6
Would be even worse for rural america if more people voted.
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Post by TOBC on Dec 7, 2016 9:55:23 GMT -6
obamacare is a complete disaster. opinionthe country is more racially divided than at any point in history. opinionour military is now perceived as weak around the world. opinionthe unemployment rate is at 4.6%, but the workforce participation rate is at 62%, which is a 40 year low. in other words, the labor department doesn't count those who have given up looking for a job. No passage of jobs bills by congress, so where do we want to lay the blamethe iran deal was garbage from the onset. opinion israel, once our staunchest ally in the middle east, does not trust us to have their back. opiniongovernment spending has been at an all time high. Deficit cut by 2/3rds under himetc. not an opinion on obamacare. premiums for a TON of middle class people have skyrocketed to the point they would rather pay the penalty than carry insurance because its cheaper. not an opinion on race. he had chance after chance to bring the country together along racial lines, and chose not to. remember when michael brown was shot in ferguson? instead of keeping his mouth shut and letting the investigation run its course, he decided to fan the flames of the black people there and call the incident a "stain on our country" that a white cop shot a black guy. well, as it turned out the cop was justified. not an opinion on our military. our military levels are their lowest since before WWII. obama would rather talk people to death as opposed to show strength through military. he obviously didn't take heed of what teddy roosevelt said. speak softly but carry a big stick. the jobless rate is not the fault of congress. it is the fault of over regulation by obama and his administration. his otter scrubbing, tree hugging hippy coalition at the EPA have been given unprecedented power to regulate so much that companies are bolting overseas because it's cheaper. the iran deal had done nothing but emboldened iran to basically thumb their nose at us. all that money that was freed up is now in the hands of iran who is trying to wield their influence in the middle east. mad dog mattis said it right. iran is the biggest threat to us in the middle east and we just handed them a butt load of cash and they are still developing nuclear technology. isreal doesn't trust us. netenyahu has even said as such. the deficit is down, but our debt has tripled under him. you can't spend your way to prosperity. fact.
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Post by xdipster on Dec 7, 2016 10:15:01 GMT -6
the deficit is down, but our debt has tripled under him. you can't spend your way to prosperity. fact. WWII and getting out of the great depression, we did just that.
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Post by xdipster on Dec 7, 2016 10:17:26 GMT -6
netenyahu is not Israel. Not sucking them off is not the same as not supporting them. Anyone that says they don't understand that over there does not deserve our support or ear.
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Post by xdipster on Dec 7, 2016 10:21:22 GMT -6
I went to the bank the other day and got $100 out. Its my money. We just held on to it for the last 35 years. You either got that deal or you bomb them. It effectively ended their nuclear program for the time being. Diplomacy is not a bad thing. Mattis is a warrior, but war is a form of diplomacy as well. War is not the end game. It is used to bring people to the table. We got them to the table without having to use that diplomatic tool.
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Post by xdipster on Dec 7, 2016 10:23:42 GMT -6
Our military level is set by those that have the power of the purse. We have had a draw down. It was designed to happen by politicians in 1989-1991, and was to be finished around 2004. 9/11 happened. The draw down is in response to the end of the cold war, and would have happened or should happen regardless of who is in power.
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Post by Hitch on Dec 7, 2016 10:24:42 GMT -6
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Post by tonymontana on Dec 7, 2016 10:27:03 GMT -6
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