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Post by TOBC on Jan 23, 2017 10:40:46 GMT -6
got a gander at that yesterday. we had one kid make it onto the all-state team. also noticed some very good players were left off.
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Jan 23, 2017 10:45:06 GMT -6
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Post by email on Jan 23, 2017 10:45:06 GMT -6
Noticed that too
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Post by xdipster on Jan 23, 2017 10:47:48 GMT -6
noticed some good ones, not great ones, get on in place of some cats.
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Post by TOBC on Jan 23, 2017 10:50:14 GMT -6
the one glaring one that stuck out to me was the defensive end from oologah didn't make it. that kid is a stud.
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Post by email on Jan 23, 2017 10:50:57 GMT -6
I noticed that some semi final teams once again in various classes had no one named to the team, I guess they might be alternates
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Post by givepullorpitch on Jan 23, 2017 10:58:15 GMT -6
Food for thought. Years ago they all played in the All State game. It was something special. The division 1 coaches/universities don't want their players playing. I can understand the need to not risk injury. I read where we as a state have 40 division player/offers this year. I have no source to confirm that. If all 40 made all state, and you had to find replacements for everyone of them, what do you have? Some coaches are nominating only kids they feel will play in the game. Thoughts?
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Post by xdipster on Jan 23, 2017 11:01:31 GMT -6
I think if you are all state worthy, the coach must put you up. We have had coaches in other sports here get fired for not doing that. Its part of our job to get our kids the recognition they deserve. Now I think its up to those kids to be proactive and let us know very early if they will be able to play in the game.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 23, 2017 11:21:36 GMT -6
I noticed that some semi final teams once again in various classes had no one named to the team, I guess they might be alternates How about a state runner-up or two not having anyone named...
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Post by xdipster on Jan 23, 2017 11:25:09 GMT -6
That's crazy, unless there are other reasons why some coaches didn't send it film.
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Post by xdipster on Jan 23, 2017 11:25:35 GMT -6
Millwood would have had more, but they are almost all coming back next year.
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Post by 72blue on Jan 23, 2017 11:27:12 GMT -6
I can tell you all that the coaches who selected the teams worked very hard at this. They watched filmed and debated all day Saturday till 9:00 PM and then came back in Sunday morning and worked into the afternoon on this. There are criteria that make selection even more difficult. State Champions must be represented, and there must be a minimum four athletes from each class represented. You would be amazed at how many coaches fail to even nominate athletes. For example, in Class A East, only 8 schools sent in nominations. All a coach has to do to nominate is fill out a form and send film over Hudl. Some coaches didn't even bother to submit a highlight film. I understand that healthy debate about who made the team will happen, but members of this site need to know that it is a job not taken lightly. I was not one of the coaches that selected the team, but I can speak first hand to how diligently the coaches that did the selection worked.
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Post by TOBC on Jan 23, 2017 11:35:04 GMT -6
we nominated 2 guys. felt like they were the only ones on our team that had a legitimate shot at making the team. our lineman made it and our QB didn't. i did the film for our lineman. took me about 10 minutes to make his highlight cut-up and then put the 2 halves they wanted with it. in all took me about 30 minutes to get it all done and sent in. our QB coach did that for our QB. took him about the same amount of time.
if some guys can't take 30 minutes to put together something like that, then i feel bad for the kids. it screws them.
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Post by givepullorpitch on Jan 23, 2017 11:35:24 GMT -6
I can tell you all that the coaches who selected the teams worked very hard at this. They watched filmed and debated all day Saturday till 9:00 PM and then came back in Sunday morning and worked into the afternoon on this. There are criteria that make selection even more difficult. State Champions must be represented, and there must be a minimum four athletes from each class represented. You would be amazed at how many coaches fail to even nominate athletes. For example, in Class A East, only 8 schools sent in nominations. All a coach has to do to nominate is fill out a form and send film over Hudl. Some coaches didn't even bother to submit a highlight film. I understand that healthy debate about who made the team will happen, but members of this site need to know that it is a job not taken lightly. I was not one of the coaches that selected the team, but I can speak first hand to how diligently the coaches that did the selection worked. I have been on that committee several times since inception. I think I served on the first one where we started with OCA regional committees then sent the all regions to the final all state committee. You are absolutely correct. It takes time and not taken lightly. Criteria does handcuff you periodically also. It still beats the heck out of the newspaper naming it like many years ago.
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Post by xdipster on Jan 23, 2017 11:37:35 GMT -6
I can tell you all that the coaches who selected the teams worked very hard at this. They watched filmed and debated all day Saturday till 9:00 PM and then came back in Sunday morning and worked into the afternoon on this. There are criteria that make selection even more difficult. State Champions must be represented, and there must be a minimum four athletes from each class represented. You would be amazed at how many coaches fail to even nominate athletes. For example, in Class A East, only 8 schools sent in nominations. All a coach has to do to nominate is fill out a form and send film over Hudl. Some coaches didn't even bother to submit a highlight film. I understand that healthy debate about who made the team will happen, but members of this site need to know that it is a job not taken lightly. I was not one of the coaches that selected the team, but I can speak first hand to how diligently the coaches that did the selection worked. Thats what I was talking about. Some coaches just don't do their jobs, and some kids are not put in for disciplinary reasons.
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Post by email on Jan 23, 2017 11:45:20 GMT -6
I can tell you all that the coaches who selected the teams worked very hard at this. They watched filmed and debated all day Saturday till 9:00 PM and then came back in Sunday morning and worked into the afternoon on this. There are criteria that make selection even more difficult. State Champions must be represented, and there must be a minimum four athletes from each class represented. You would be amazed at how many coaches fail to even nominate athletes. For example, in Class A East, only 8 schools sent in nominations. All a coach has to do to nominate is fill out a form and send film over Hudl. Some coaches didn't even bother to submit a highlight film. I understand that healthy debate about who made the team will happen, but members of this site need to know that it is a job not taken lightly. I was not one of the coaches that selected the team, but I can speak first hand to how diligently the coaches that did the selection worked. And only 16 kids nominated total in class A, now a few teams only had 2 seniors , but u are allowed 3 nominations, i personally think it should be 4 nominations . Did both east and west take 2 days to pick? Because that didn't happen last year . And lots of cruddy film was sent in last year too.
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Post by email on Jan 23, 2017 11:47:23 GMT -6
Class a east side is what I was referring to
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Post by TOBC on Jan 23, 2017 11:48:40 GMT -6
isn't 2 the limit on how many any one school can have on the team?
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Post by Deleted on Jan 23, 2017 11:48:58 GMT -6
I think if you are all state worthy, the coach must put you up. We have had coaches in other sports here get fired for not doing that. Its part of our job to get our kids the recognition they deserve. Now I think its up to those kids to be proactive and let us know very early if they will be able to play in the game. There is a lot that goes in to being worthy of All-State. Attitude, work ethic, quality of teammate a kid is, etc. There are a lot of really good players who aren't worthy of being an all-stater for some of the reasons I mentioned. Also, if a kid isn't going to play in the game he shouldn't be nominated.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 23, 2017 11:49:52 GMT -6
One thing I don't understand is why 8-man guys have to be included... Don't they play their own 8-man All-State?
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Post by TOBC on Jan 23, 2017 11:49:59 GMT -6
does the committee call the head coaches to find out character of a kid?
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