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Post by Burnet44 on May 8, 2017 7:43:58 GMT -6
like I said
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Post by skinny51 on May 8, 2017 8:23:02 GMT -6
Good stuff And imho people are to wrapped up into X's and O's How many of you work as hard scouting D On personel and what they can and can't do? Basically matchups To me that's real work not on hudl or whiteboard Break down film on plus minus of each d player What they do well and what they do bad And game plan you o reads based on their ability I've seen so many o visor wearing hair gel Gurus just draw plays and think have it all done Sure do that and personal it 65 can be trapped but 70 plays it well 25 can't tackle but can cover 57 rushes passer well but can be hooked Ect This is why o guys are plentiful and d guys are Hard to find WORK O guys are done by lunch d guys midnight This and 10 bucks will buy a cup of coffee At Starbucks. yeah... work till midnight and give up a 50 spot while we score 45. thanks for the advice, but we are doing just fine. at heart you bring a good point, but when you average in the 40's per game the burden is on the defense. That's funny. I will say that's an issues a lot of split staffs have. To much division...finger pointing. One thing I like about coaching small school ball is coaching both sides.
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Post by gotemcoach on May 8, 2017 8:59:56 GMT -6
yeah... work till midnight and give up a 50 spot while we score 45. thanks for the advice, but we are doing just fine. at heart you bring a good point, but when you average in the 40's per game the burden is on the defense. That's funny. I will say that's an issues a lot of split staffs have. To much division...finger pointing. One thing I like about coaching small school ball is coaching both sides. Coordinators have to be on same page when staffs are split, For instance O chewing up some clock when the D is struggling... Otherwise it turns into I'm doing my job you do yours
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Post by Hitch on May 8, 2017 9:50:16 GMT -6
Split staff thing is mucho correcto............
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Post by fbs on May 8, 2017 10:14:50 GMT -6
Yeah I don't know how it is for you okies, but I know I've never coached both sides of the ball except for my first year when I was a freshman coach. What I do know is that I've only had a competent defense one year out of 12. You want to play the game of working together and running clock and blah blah blah but when you're just gonna give up the points anyway, we might as well go ahead and get the ball back to us so we can score again and give them another opportunity to steal us a possession. If I had any faith at all that defenses could keep up their end of the deal I'd be all about it, but I don't.
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Post by xdipster on May 8, 2017 10:38:33 GMT -6
Yeah I don't know how it is for you okies, but I know I've never coached both sides of the ball except for my first year when I was a freshman coach. What I do know is that I've only had a competent defense one year out of 12. You want to play the game of working together and running clock and blah blah blah but when you're just gonna give up the points anyway, we might as well go ahead and get the ball back to us so we can score again and give them another opportunity to steal us a possession. If I had any faith at all that defenses could keep up their end of the deal I'd be all about it, but I don't. So you kick onsides every time?
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Post by blitz50 on May 8, 2017 10:43:57 GMT -6
Yeah I don't know how it is for you okies, but I know I've never coached both sides of the ball except for my first year when I was a freshman coach. What I do know is that I've only had a competent defense one year out of 12. You want to play the game of working together and running clock and blah blah blah but when you're just gonna give up the points anyway, we might as well go ahead and get the ball back to us so we can score again and give them another opportunity to steal us a possession. If I had any faith at all that defenses could keep up their end of the deal I'd be all about it, but I don't. So you kick onsides every time? we do a lot. But our defense isn't bad either.
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Post by fbs on May 8, 2017 13:20:56 GMT -6
Yeah I don't know how it is for you okies, but I know I've never coached both sides of the ball except for my first year when I was a freshman coach. What I do know is that I've only had a competent defense one year out of 12. You want to play the game of working together and running clock and blah blah blah but when you're just gonna give up the points anyway, we might as well go ahead and get the ball back to us so we can score again and give them another opportunity to steal us a possession. If I had any faith at all that defenses could keep up their end of the deal I'd be all about it, but I don't. So you kick onsides every time? not even kidding, but two years ago our defense was so bad we actually considered doing that. I just think that they way offenses have evolved it's becoming more and more rare to see truly good defenses. Now before some of you old codgers and sons of old codgers get all butt hurt, notice I said RARE, not NEVER.
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Post by Burnet44 on May 9, 2017 0:19:10 GMT -6
Takes toughness and discipline and work to play and coach D Plus you are always reacting You can't just line up anywhere and do whatever Lotta younger visor guys want no part of that They wanna be the next wizard of O Kinda like ol DL play Not a lot wanna do that either
Notice the 2 most successful coaches Pro and college are D guys Bill and Nick
Gptf
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Post by tcb on May 9, 2017 5:43:15 GMT -6
Takes toughness and discipline and work to play and coach D Plus you are always reacting You can't just line up anywhere and do whateverLotta younger visor guys want no part of that They wanna be the next wizard of O Kinda like ol DL play Not a lot wanna do that either Notice the 2 most successful coaches Pro and college are D guys Bill and Nick Gptf Well....you actually can do this, it's just not a good idea...lol
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Post by fbs on May 9, 2017 7:40:00 GMT -6
Takes toughness and discipline and work to play and coach D Plus you are always reacting You can't just line up anywhere and do whatever Lotta younger visor guys want no part of that They wanna be the next wizard of O Kinda like ol DL play Not a lot wanna do that either Notice the 2 most successful coaches Pro and college are D guys Bill and Nick Gptf stop patting yourself on the back... some of the biggest slap@sses I've ever worked with have been tube sockers (defensive guys). I agree it takes toughness to play defense. It does NOT take toughness to coach d. you (and the like) love to act like the place would fall apart without you, when in reality it's no different from anything else: you either got the dudes or you don't.
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Post by Burnet44 on May 9, 2017 22:28:43 GMT -6
Wasn't talking about me per say I've coached both sides D is a culture like anything else Ask the big 12 Or teck Where D is just a rumor Don't be so sensitive snowflake Freeking Butthurt Snowflake.
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Post by fbs on May 10, 2017 6:31:31 GMT -6
Wasn't talking about me per say I've coached both sides D is a culture like anything else Ask the big 12 Or teck Where D is just a rumor Don't be so sensitive snowflake Freeking Butthurt Snowflake. no ma'am I'm not. I can tell you that I've worked with exactly one DC in my entire career that had any clue what he was doing. One guy over the course of 12 years that was even close, so it's not a matter of sensitivity, it's a matter of reality. It's not as easy as saying "you gotta be TUFF to coach D". No. you have to understand that what you call takes a back seat to 1)the dudes you have on the field's athletic ability 2) their ability to play fast without you overloading them with calls 3) their overall effort and motor 4) YOUR ability to install checks within your base calls from week to week so tempo doesn't keep you in base all night. I've worked with guys that believe they can get the perfect call in every play, and then someone tempos us and half the game we are playing without a defensive call because he's too arrogant or incompetent to install formation checks. So yeah, you might say there's a little bitterness between me and DC's at this point.
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Post by tcb on May 10, 2017 8:03:59 GMT -6
Wasn't talking about me per say I've coached both sides D is a culture like anything else Ask the big 12 Or teck Where D is just a rumor Don't be so sensitive snowflake Freeking Butthurt Snowflake. Big 12 defenses played well in bowl games. Big 12 offenses know how to shred Big 12 defenses....other conferences don't, apparently.
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Post by Burnet44 on May 10, 2017 8:10:17 GMT -6
Wasn't talking about me per say I've coached both sides D is a culture like anything else Ask the big 12 Or teck Where D is just a rumor Don't be so sensitive snowflake Freeking Butthurt Snowflake. no ma'am I'm not. I can tell you that I've worked with exactly one DC in my entire career that had any clue what he was doing. One guy over the course of 12 years that was even close, so it's not a matter of sensitivity, it's a matter of reality. It's not as easy as saying "you gotta be TUFF to coach D". No. you have to understand that what you call takes a back seat to 1)the dudes you have on the field's athletic ability 2) their ability to play fast without you overloading them with calls 3) their overall effort and motor 4) YOUR ability to install checks within your base calls from week to week so tempo doesn't keep you in base all night. I've worked with guys that believe they can get the perfect call in every play, and then someone tempos us and half the game we are playing without a defensive call because he's too arrogant or incompetent to install formation checks. So yeah, you might say there's a little bitterness between me and DC's at this point. like I said ty for proving my point its like cancer its not for p*****
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Post by kennywayne9 on May 10, 2017 8:13:38 GMT -6
Wasn't talking about me per say I've coached both sides D is a culture like anything else Ask the big 12 Or teck Where D is just a rumor Don't be so sensitive snowflake Freeking Butthurt Snowflake. no ma'am I'm not. I can tell you that I've worked with exactly one DC in my entire career that had any clue what he was doing. One guy over the course of 12 years that was even close, so it's not a matter of sensitivity, it's a matter of reality. It's not as easy as saying "you gotta be TUFF to coach D". No. you have to understand that what you call takes a back seat to 1)the dudes you have on the field's athletic ability 2) their ability to play fast without you overloading them with calls 3) their overall effort and motor 4) YOUR ability to install checks within your base calls from week to week so tempo doesn't keep you in base all night. I've worked with guys that believe they can get the perfect call in every play, and then someone tempos us and half the game we are playing without a defensive call because he's too arrogant or incompetent to install formation checks. So yeah, you might say there's a little bitterness between me and DC's at this point. We spent the whole offseason a few years ago working on this exact issue. You have to figure out a way to simplify calls to get them in quickly. We had gotten too wordy with our calls. That is no longer an issue. Most of our calls are now 1 or 2 words. Makes handling the tempo much easier. Offenses sometimes make my job EASIER in a no huddle. I can see the structure of the formation and call accordingly. I've gotten so used to calling against no huddle that honestly I've struggled more against the two huddle teams we play.
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Post by Burnet44 on May 10, 2017 8:16:10 GMT -6
as I said always reacting
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Post by fbs on May 10, 2017 8:41:37 GMT -6
saying "as I said" or "like I said" doesn't make you right. you're not right. ever.
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Post by skinny51 on May 10, 2017 8:49:46 GMT -6
a good ole page turn will make me feel better....
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Post by fbs on May 10, 2017 8:54:28 GMT -6
you know what they say about track.....run fast TURN left... you either show up fast or slow. track is a genetics showcase and nothing more.
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