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Post by skinny51 on Feb 16, 2018 14:03:36 GMT -6
Well put FBS. I would give my AR up too but I don’t know if it isn’t too late to ban these guns. Millions are out there.
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Post by fbs on Feb 16, 2018 14:04:52 GMT -6
Does it make someone an idiot to be right now? If being right is wrong, I don't wanna be right. That doesn't even make sense. You are upset because you don't like my opinion that something needs to be done? I didn't say what. I didn't say when. I simply said something more than thoughts and prayers. And you are upset by this? Come on now. I'm pretty sure you are better than that. I'm not for a gun ban. I said that. So what needs to happen? what I mean is this: you come off as someone that puts their political beliefs ahead of rational thought. Because you have convinced yourself that the D next to your name means you're on the morally sound side, you would rather be right in the way of partisan lines than you would rather potentially cross it. Ask yourself this question: if President Trump came out today and announced that there will be a moratorium on all manufacturing and sales of semi automatic long rifles in the united states, would you get on facebook and support him, or would you do your habitual rabble rousing with your stablemates?
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Post by fbs on Feb 16, 2018 14:08:40 GMT -6
Well put FBS. I would give my AR up too but I don’t know if it isn’t too late to ban these guns. Millions are out there. I agree, but we can't expect to FIX this problem. we can only hope that several small steps from different directions can make a dent in it over the years and eventually make this a rarity instead of something we expect to happen regularly. If the manufacturing of these weapons and sale of them were stopped by law under penalty of a LONG prison sentence for possession, sale or manufacturing (should be enforced the same as a high volume drug dealer), I think you'd see a major difference. It's the kind of non partisan compromise we have to be comfortable with in order for a long term difference to be made, we can't continue to be so rigid.
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Post by skinny51 on Feb 16, 2018 14:13:44 GMT -6
Yes. The right has gone too far right. The left has gone too far left. There is no middle ground or compromising. Neither side is right on their own cause they are too far extreme. Compromise is a word that seems to be almost extinct. Logic is another rarity.
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Post by fbs on Feb 16, 2018 14:18:39 GMT -6
I mean, seriously... what is THE problem??? because it's not like there's just one. mental health, desensitization, availability of weapons to teens, availability of semi automatic weapons, the destruction of the american family... I could go on and on to what contributes to this. it's not a simple problem. from the political side of things, there aren't many solutions that won't get skwawked about from one side or the other. the right will cry about ANY conversation regarding gun laws, which is funny to me that they act like there hasn't been rational decisions made about weapons in the past since we can't very well carry around bazookas on the street. The left will cry some sort of ISM about any mention of the downfall of the traditional american family having anything at all to do with this, when it clearly does.
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Post by xdipster on Feb 16, 2018 14:19:15 GMT -6
Does it make someone an idiot to be right now? If being right is wrong, I don't wanna be right. That doesn't even make sense. You are upset because you don't like my opinion that something needs to be done? I didn't say what. I didn't say when. I simply said something more than thoughts and prayers. And you are upset by this? Come on now. I'm pretty sure you are better than that. I'm not for a gun ban. I said that. So what needs to happen? what I mean is this: you come off as someone that puts their political beliefs ahead of rational thought. Because you have convinced yourself that the D next to your name means you're on the morally sound side, you would rather be right in the way of partisan lines than you would rather potentially cross it. Ask yourself this question: if President Trump came out today and announced that there will be a moratorium on all manufacturing and sales of semi automatic long rifles in the united states, would you get on facebook and support him, or would you do your habitual rabble rousing with your stablemates? You deducted that reasoning from an internet site where a bunch of coaches get together and a few posts on FB? If you knew my FB thread, it is all about friends and family, and not near as political as it used to be. This really disturbed me, what happened in Florida. I"m searching for answers. I do apologize to you all for one thing. I just realized that this pic is not exactly the same as the one I put on FB. The one there says nothing about Republicans or Democrats on it. I was trying to figure out the hatred that has been shown. Might have something to do with it. I was not trying to make this partisan.
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Post by fbs on Feb 16, 2018 14:20:50 GMT -6
what I mean is this: you come off as someone that puts their political beliefs ahead of rational thought. Because you have convinced yourself that the D next to your name means you're on the morally sound side, you would rather be right in the way of partisan lines than you would rather potentially cross it. Ask yourself this question: if President Trump came out today and announced that there will be a moratorium on all manufacturing and sales of semi automatic long rifles in the united states, would you get on facebook and support him, or would you do your habitual rabble rousing with your stablemates? You deducted that reasoning from an internet site where a bunch of coaches get together and a few posts on FB? If you knew my FB thread, it is all about friends and family, and not near as political as it used to be. This really disturbed me, what happened in Florida. I"m searching for answers. I do apologize to you all for one thing. I just realized that this pic is not exactly the same as the one I put on FB. The one there says nothing about Republicans or Democrats on it. I was trying to figure out the hatred that has been shown. Might have something to do with it. I was not trying to make this partisan. you do realize we are friends on facebook, right? so no. last statement stupid.
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Post by fbs on Feb 16, 2018 14:24:02 GMT -6
what I mean is this: you come off as someone that puts their political beliefs ahead of rational thought. Because you have convinced yourself that the D next to your name means you're on the morally sound side, you would rather be right in the way of partisan lines than you would rather potentially cross it. Ask yourself this question: if President Trump came out today and announced that there will be a moratorium on all manufacturing and sales of semi automatic long rifles in the united states, would you get on facebook and support him, or would you do your habitual rabble rousing with your stablemates? You deducted that reasoning from an internet site where a bunch of coaches get together and a few posts on FB? If you knew my FB thread, it is all about friends and family, and not near as political as it used to be. This really disturbed me, what happened in Florida. I"m searching for answers. I do apologize to you all for one thing. I just realized that this pic is not exactly the same as the one I put on FB. The one there says nothing about Republicans or Democrats on it. I was trying to figure out the hatred that has been shown. Might have something to do with it. I was not trying to make this partisan. it's just infuriating to me when people try to make this into some simple, quick answer problem, when it's obvious that it's not. What you put up there was a look at how smart I am kinda thing. that's why nobody appreciated it. it was in poor taste in my opinion, but that's just me. I'm not going to say I was offended by it, because thats for gheys and ladyboys of the left. I do think it was tactless. I saw the one you posted, and I thought the exact same thing, because it meant the exact same thing. to say that was non partisan is complete nonsense.
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Post by xdipster on Feb 16, 2018 14:26:45 GMT -6
I knew, but wasn't sure you have seen that. Again, I am a tactless person. That is my personality. Have enjoyed the banter.
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Post by skinny51 on Feb 16, 2018 14:29:55 GMT -6
Political parties are the biggest gangs that are infecting our country. It will be the downfall of our country and will continue to divide us. Ole George warned us of this...
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Post by skinny51 on Feb 16, 2018 14:32:13 GMT -6
Political parties are the pinnicle of organized crime...
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Post by skinny51 on Feb 16, 2018 14:32:57 GMT -6
Keep us split and divided and they can get away with what they want and get as rich as they want...
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Post by fbs on Feb 16, 2018 14:33:53 GMT -6
neither of them care about the country anymore. it's just about being on the side that wins. using dead kids as a tool of argument is unforgivable
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Post by skinny51 on Feb 16, 2018 14:35:55 GMT -6
neither of them care about the country anymore. it's just about being on the side that wins. using dead kids as a tool of argument is unforgivable Yes and if the Dems were in control I believe the Reps would do the same. They are all gross.
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Post by fbs on Feb 16, 2018 14:37:41 GMT -6
100% agree with you.
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Post by xdipster on Feb 16, 2018 14:39:01 GMT -6
I mean, seriously... what is THE problem??? because it's not like there's just one. mental health, desensitization, availability of weapons to teens, availability of semi automatic weapons, the destruction of the american family... I could go on and on to what contributes to this. it's not a simple problem. from the political side of things, there aren't many solutions that won't get skwawked about from one side or the other. the right will cry about ANY conversation regarding gun laws, which is funny to me that they act like there hasn't been rational decisions made about weapons in the past since we can't very well carry around bazookas on the street. The left will cry some sort of ISM about any mention of the downfall of the traditional american family having anything at all to do with this, when it clearly does. Holy h3ll, we agree on a lot. Now I don't know any liberal friends that have griped about the traditional american family, whatever that is, but many have issues on several of the areas you pinpointed. Most of my conservative friends think like you. Regulations wont hurt their right to have the guns they have. Now the only ones that really get any air time seem to be the far sides, take my gun from me cold dead hands, and the left saying ok. Those people on both edges have no place in the discussion. The expand the middle towards lunacy.
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Post by xdipster on Feb 16, 2018 14:40:28 GMT -6
neither of them care about the country anymore. it's just about being on the side that wins. using dead kids as a tool of argument is unforgivable To those that do that, I agree. To those that use issues like this as a catalyst for action, not just argument, I say good luck.
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Post by fbs on Feb 16, 2018 14:47:47 GMT -6
I mean, seriously... what is THE problem??? because it's not like there's just one. mental health, desensitization, availability of weapons to teens, availability of semi automatic weapons, the destruction of the american family... I could go on and on to what contributes to this. it's not a simple problem. from the political side of things, there aren't many solutions that won't get skwawked about from one side or the other. the right will cry about ANY conversation regarding gun laws, which is funny to me that they act like there hasn't been rational decisions made about weapons in the past since we can't very well carry around bazookas on the street. The left will cry some sort of ISM about any mention of the downfall of the traditional american family having anything at all to do with this, when it clearly does. Holy h3ll, we agree on a lot. Now I don't know any liberal friends that have griped about the traditional american family, whatever that is, but many have issues on several of the areas you pinpointed. Most of my conservative friends think like you. Regulations wont hurt their right to have the guns they have. Now the only ones that really get any air time seem to be the far sides, take my gun from me cold dead hands, and the left saying ok. Those people on both edges have no place in the discussion. The expand the middle towards lunacy. the traditional american family: mom (woman), dad (man), couple of kids, all living together and supporting one another. since this model has been challenged american society has eroded. What's acceptable in this society has eroded. not sure if youve noticed in your utopian surroundings that kids are screwed up right now. very few kids would qualify as the "normal" that we grew up with. they are desensitized, antisocial and just straight up strange. there is absolutely a connection with the fact that you're dealing with one parent (or no parent in some cases) households way more than we ever have. kids are overstimulated to a degree that they are living in an alternate reality most of the time, with phones, tablets, vr video games, etc. these kids are exposed to nothing but garbage from a very early age. another major issue is that these kids, for the most part have been raised by the "friend parent" generation. No accountability at all, never my fault, have whatever you want no matter what... very little parenting is being done, and it's resulting in kids doing some very grown up things before they can even process what they are really doing. this is a very scary generation, and it's getting worse. so yes, the TRADITIONAL american family, where a parent is always home, they know where the kids are all the time, and the kids are held accountable for their actions and the parents are held accountable for their own. Kids in other settings are often taught that authority doesn't apply to them. this has to stop. but the second you bring this up you are some sort of IST.
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Post by xdipster on Feb 16, 2018 14:53:45 GMT -6
These kids were screwed up when I was a kid too. Some great one parent kids, and some screwed up two parent ones. But i get your point. Traditional here is a little different. Having at least one adult has been the norm, but many places I've been since coming back to Oklahoma has kids living with extended families, not actual parents. I see that as a problem so I will give you that. Now a parent always home might be the bigger issue. That is where you will get the left to agree. My dad could provide by himself for us when I was younger. My mom joined the work force again when we all got into school. Today that is a rarity. Most are raised in day care, because both parents have to work to make ends meet.
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Post by xdipster on Feb 16, 2018 14:54:36 GMT -6
Of course talking about income, I will get labeled as an IST by the right as well. It goes both directions.
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