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Post by Hitch on Feb 28, 2018 10:18:15 GMT -6
Surely you will answer emails....
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Post by dieselfitter on Feb 28, 2018 10:18:39 GMT -6
Roddy-Labbyowski, before you run for office, please take basic English courses as well as a refresher typing class. You're, not your, welcome in advance. I will have an assistant write all of my stuff for me. Should probably have the said assistant be the person that they take photos of instead of your/you're ugly mug!
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Post by dieselfitter on Feb 28, 2018 10:18:59 GMT -6
Surely you will answer emails.... He is serious, and don't call him Surely.
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Post by Lebowski on Feb 28, 2018 10:23:19 GMT -6
My problem is that I type like I speak.
Not a good thing at all.
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Post by gotemcoach on Feb 28, 2018 10:23:47 GMT -6
I have my CCL as well, and my big black arse will not be holding a weapon when the cops arrive
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Post by moxWASmybackup on Feb 28, 2018 10:24:00 GMT -6
Saw the idea of hiring Veterans as janitors or maintenance workers, etc... Seems to be cost effective and you get someone with experience in said situations that they are, no doubt, MUCH more comfortable in. I imagine the idea of being shot at and actually being shot at don't quite add up to the same thing. Could kill two birds with one stone, help a population in our country that is largely ignored and offer a potential deterrent to future, potential, gunman looking to make the next big headline. Also wouldn't have to hear, not here, the argument that their isn't enough funding and schools can't afford the veteran.. Two jobs (kind of), one salary.
Also, metal detectors?
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Post by xdipster on Feb 28, 2018 10:39:03 GMT -6
just think about this though... cops come in to a shooter situation, they don't know who or what they are looking for. they see someone, anyone, with a gun they have to assume that's the shooter, and bam... down goes teacher with a gun. I think we've learned the hard way with this florida thing that we can't trust the training of law enforcement, so why would I trust them not to run in and shoot me if I was carrying? Which would work with what bigbob was saying. Addendum: LEO's and head principal will know who is packing. That training he was talking about would be done with local LEO's. That way you can have a concerted team effort in sweeping a school, or stopping them. Here is another problem. The dude in Florida did what he was trained to do. You don't go in if you are out gunned. Do all LEO's or these open carry folks have access to the same arsenal? That is the problem anybody with a brain has with any of these large capacity mag weapons. Semi with 30 beats the h3ll out of a semi with 14 bullets. Like this conversation. Good ideas.
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Post by dieselfitter on Feb 28, 2018 10:39:17 GMT -6
Saw the idea of hiring Veterans as janitors or maintenance workers, etc... Seems to be cost effective and you get someone with experience in said situations that they are, no doubt, MUCH more comfortable in. I imagine the idea of being shot at and actually being shot at don't quite add up to the same thing. Could kill two birds with one stone, help a population in our country that is largely ignored and offer a potential deterrent to future, potential, gunman looking to make the next big headline. Also wouldn't have to hear, not here, the argument that their isn't enough funding and schools can't afford the veteran.. Two jobs (kind of), one salary. Also, metal detectors? every school should have metal detectors..... You know that metal plate I had in my head, well I had to have it replaced cause every time Katheryn revved up the microwave I'd piss my pants and forget who I was for 30 minutes or so...so over at the VA, they replaced it with this plastic one...
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Post by xdipster on Feb 28, 2018 10:39:55 GMT -6
Saw the idea of hiring Veterans as janitors or maintenance workers, etc... Seems to be cost effective and you get someone with experience in said situations that they are, no doubt, MUCH more comfortable in. I imagine the idea of being shot at and actually being shot at don't quite add up to the same thing. Could kill two birds with one stone, help a population in our country that is largely ignored and offer a potential deterrent to future, potential, gunman looking to make the next big headline. Also wouldn't have to hear, not here, the argument that their isn't enough funding and schools can't afford the veteran.. Two jobs (kind of), one salary. Also, metal detectors? every school should have metal detectors..... they will be bought up here in oklahoma after they chose to cut our pay with this new bill they started.
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Post by xdipster on Feb 28, 2018 10:42:27 GMT -6
not sure this would deter them....most of them go into it with the intention to kill themselves as well, so being shot by an english hen after you've killed a few other kids wouldn't deter it....it would probably save 50% of the lives that would have been lost though.... stud saw a facebook post that read "put veterans in schools with guns"....again, probably won't deter it, but the sooner you can take out the shooter, the better.... as stud has said before, he hopes this kid gets beaten and wraped every hour on the hour for the rest of his pathetic life..... Completely agree with the veteran thing, IF they are able to pass the psychological portion...that's another animal of itself...we should be doing WAY more for our veterans than we are as far as mental health is concerned. Easy now. NRA will never support this, so its a non-starter. And the mental health blocks put in place by last pres were kicked out by this one. Not being a dik here, just we gotta look at what will be allowed to be done by those in power.
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Post by dieselfitter on Feb 28, 2018 10:47:07 GMT -6
Completely agree with the veteran thing, IF they are able to pass the psychological portion...that's another animal of itself...we should be doing WAY more for our veterans than we are as far as mental health is concerned. Easy now. NRA will never support this, so its a non-starter. And the mental health blocks put in place by last pres were kicked out by this one. Not being a dik here, just we gotta look at what will be allowed to be done by those in power. I would have to research some to combat your points, but I'd be almost willing to bet my brand new AR with nice shiny scope that the two points above although true, would probably be tied to some other piece of legislation that was trying to be crammed down our throats...same with all the health care bills, they ALL both sides, tie in little pet projects or sh*t to a clean bill and makes it complete and utter rubbish!
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Post by xdipster on Feb 28, 2018 10:48:33 GMT -6
was an EO.
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Post by xdipster on Feb 28, 2018 10:48:58 GMT -6
they will be bought up here in oklahoma after the chose to cut our pay with this new bill they started. you've got 2 choices.... 3. Gonna fight it through the political process.
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Post by speed on Feb 28, 2018 10:48:59 GMT -6
We also have to remember the financial status of the state of Oklahoma with all these ideas.
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Post by xdipster on Feb 28, 2018 10:49:08 GMT -6
And page turns.
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Post by Hitch on Feb 28, 2018 10:51:43 GMT -6
Interesting convo.
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Post by fbs on Feb 28, 2018 11:00:56 GMT -6
We also have to remember the financial status of the state of Oklahoma with all these ideas. texas is no different. we can't fund what we have already. paying more salaries for officers (most of our school officers come from the school police dept. this offers a problem all it's own because these are usually incompetents or people wanting quiet path to retirement... not exactly the type willing to get in there and mix it up), also paying for something like metal detectors and people to operate them would be more cost than most states can afford. So then we end up doing it locally through bonds, which means that about half the districts will not get them, and large city districts probably won't have them at all.
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Post by newcoach on Feb 28, 2018 11:02:58 GMT -6
Just got asked by admin if we would carry if given the chance? Should teachers be packin heat these days? I think just the thought alone of teachers having a glock ready will make kids think twice about coming in to shoot up the place. I doubt these kids are that tough when they know someone else could have be strappin and shootin back. I dont think it would deter them really. If you look at the statistics most of them go down either at their own hand or at the hand of the cops. I do believe that it should be my option to protect myself. I hate that it has come to this but I would carry if it was allowed.
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Post by fbs on Feb 28, 2018 11:04:42 GMT -6
Just got asked by admin if we would carry if given the chance? Should teachers be packin heat these days? I think just the thought alone of teachers having a glock ready will make kids think twice about coming in to shoot up the place. I doubt these kids are that tough when they know someone else could have be strappin and shootin back. I dont think it would deter them really. If you look at the statistics most of them go down either at their own hand or at the hand of the cops. I do believe that it should be my option to protect myself. I hate that it has come to this but I would carry if it was allowed. I'm with ya on this. I don't know that any of them expect, nor want to survive. the first step is the outer perimeter of schools being a soft target. that has to stop somehow.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 28, 2018 11:06:04 GMT -6
I think a big help for school funding, and I can't believe I'm even gonna say it, would be a state income tax. I don't think we can honestly say that arming our teachers to be able to shoot our children is a better plan than raising a state tax to help fund metal detectors and a TRAINED school police force.
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