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Feb 10, 2016 13:33:23 GMT -6
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Post by duels23 on Feb 10, 2016 13:33:23 GMT -6
Have to have a lot of things go right to make it to the super bowl much less win more than one of them. Takes more than a QB to do what Brady or Montana has accomplished. that's right, but Montana pretty played with the same guys throughout that whole run they had in the 80's. Like I said earlier, Brady has won his with essentially 4 different rosters. Brady should be at the top of the list, hands down. No one else is even close.
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Feb 10, 2016 13:56:16 GMT -6
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Post by email on Feb 10, 2016 13:56:16 GMT -6
When did MOON play In a Super Bowl? And elway won at the end of his career with a dominate run game Exactly. I am not using super bowl appearances to determine who the GOAT is or to compile my list. Of course it is a factor but there is more too it than that. You can't deny Moon's stats and add his Canadian league stats to those. Moon was a stud. So if Breeze never gets back to the dance he doesn't deserve to be discussed here? I think he does with his body of work he has already compiled. Agree I just thought everyone was talking greatest super bowl winning Qb .
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Feb 10, 2016 13:58:11 GMT -6
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Jim Kelly would be higher on my list! The dude went to 4 straight super bowls! If it wasn't for the "wide right" he would have a ring! Yes, and like moon, throw in his usfl stats, and wow But if we are talking Canadian too, then Henry Burris of spiro needs to be listed and flutie too Other candidates Cunningham , he was a freak Somebody mentioned Drew Bree's Kurt Warner ? Maybe
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Feb 10, 2016 14:00:30 GMT -6
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Post by email on Feb 10, 2016 14:00:30 GMT -6
And I know Eli has 2 super bowl wins, but he is like an every other year dude, one year great, next above average
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Post by fbs on Feb 10, 2016 14:54:06 GMT -6
Brady has proven that if you just protect him, it doesn't matter who is running the routes. He made stars out of guys like Amendola, Edelman, LaFells, Welker and danny woodhead that probably would have never had any success at all had they not played with him. Welker could be the only exception to that, but he would never have been a number one without brady or peyton. point is, protect brady and he'll do the rest... no running game? no problem... no big name receivers? eh, so what. Yeah he has Gronk now... He had Moss at one time, but there were a lot of great years where he had neither and was still dominant.
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Feb 10, 2016 15:44:43 GMT -6
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Post by email on Feb 10, 2016 15:44:43 GMT -6
Don't all great wr have a pretty dang good Qb? Exception would be Tim brown , didn't have jack with the raiders, And Andre rison, that had chandler and Jeff George, a gun but jeez
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Feb 10, 2016 15:45:08 GMT -6
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Post by email on Feb 10, 2016 15:45:08 GMT -6
Don't all great wr have a pretty dang good Qb? Exception would be Tim brown , didn't have jack with the raiders, And Andre risen that had chandler and Jeff George, a gun but jeez
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Feb 11, 2016 19:31:03 GMT -6
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Post by email on Feb 11, 2016 19:31:03 GMT -6
Bradshaw Super Bowl 13 17 of 30 , 318 and 4 tds, broke the passing record at the time before halftime Mvp Aikman 27 22 of 30 , 273 , 4tds and 28 rush mvp
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Feb 11, 2016 22:34:22 GMT -6
Post by crispysdad on Feb 11, 2016 22:34:22 GMT -6
I don't have bradshaw in my top 5. was a good qb for a team that ran the p!ss out of the ball and prided itself on defense. yes he's a hall of famer, but top 5 qb of all time? no sir. he's not close in any statistical category. he ran the plays that were called because he was too dumb to change the plays, that's a fact. I'm not a brady fan in any way shape or form, but my list goes like this: 1. Brady 2. Manning 3. Montana 4. Marino 5. Aikman 6. Elway 7. Favre 8. Kelly 9. Moon 10. Staubach debateable for 6-10, could have been in there: Stabler, Starr, Unitas, Bradshaw, E. Manning, Roethlisberger, A. Rodgers... I can't believe that more people haven't mentioned Marino. Personally, I would put him at #2 behind only Montana. #1 Montana #2 Marino #3 Brady #4 Elway #5 Staubach #6 Everybody Else Bradshaw was a hack........he does not go in my top 10. Rings are over-rated......I would take Marino (0 rings) over Bradshaw (4 rings) every day of the week. Good list by the way. The only thing that bothers me is that you have Moon ahead of Staubach.
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Feb 12, 2016 12:18:06 GMT -6
Post by Deleted on Feb 12, 2016 12:18:06 GMT -6
No way. Discussion starts and finishes with Montana.
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Feb 12, 2016 12:33:35 GMT -6
Post by tonymontana on Feb 12, 2016 12:33:35 GMT -6
No way. Discussion starts and finishes with Montana. So he's first and last??
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Feb 12, 2016 13:34:22 GMT -6
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Post by Deleted on Feb 12, 2016 13:34:22 GMT -6
Touche
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Feb 12, 2016 14:03:26 GMT -6
Post by Burnet44 on Feb 12, 2016 14:03:26 GMT -6
tony and 3 AND out
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Feb 14, 2016 13:14:00 GMT -6
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Post by email on Feb 14, 2016 13:14:00 GMT -6
Where does Kurt Warner fit into this discussion? Or Sammy Baugh? More picks than tds but in the HOF
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Feb 14, 2016 14:41:17 GMT -6
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Post by skinny51 on Feb 14, 2016 14:41:17 GMT -6
Where does Kurt Warner fit into this discussion? Or Sammy Baugh? More picks than tds but in the HOF They don't. Tired of the NFL analysts getting preference to be in the hall of fame. Kurt Warner was good but has no business in the HOF, even if he is a good analysist!
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Feb 15, 2016 10:09:53 GMT -6
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Post by fbs on Feb 15, 2016 10:09:53 GMT -6
Where does Kurt Warner fit into this discussion? Or Sammy Baugh? More picks than tds but in the HOF They don't. Tired of the NFL analysts getting preference to be in the hall of fame. Kurt Warner was good but has no business in the HOF, even if he is a good analysist! I think you're forgetting that he was at the helm of one of the most prolific offenses in the league, won a ton of games, and had a long career. The greatest show on turf was a thing of beauty. a little math to chew on... Kurt Warner threw for 4000 yards three different times in his career, twice with the rams and in 2008 with the cardinals. Joe Montana threw for 4000 yards zero times in his carrer, twice in no year and once in no year with no one.
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Feb 15, 2016 10:10:39 GMT -6
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Post by skinny51 on Feb 15, 2016 10:10:39 GMT -6
So three or four great seasons should put you in the hall of fame?
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Feb 15, 2016 10:17:22 GMT -6
Post by fbs on Feb 15, 2016 10:17:22 GMT -6
Look I'm not saying Warner is better, I'm just saying he absolutely is a hall of fame player. It's not as distant as you think it is.
Warner PASSING Year Team G Att Comp Pct Att/G Yds Avg Yds/G TD TD% Int Int% Lng 20+ 40+ Sck SckY Rate
TOTAL 124 4,070 2,666 65.5 32.8 32,344 7.9 260.8 208 5.1 128 3.1 85 421 77 260 1,669 93.7
Montana Year Team G Att Comp Pct Att/G Yds Avg Yds/G TD TD% Int Int% Lng 20+ 40+ Sck SckY Rate
TOTAL 192 5,391 3,409 63.2 28.1 40,551 7.5 211.2 273 5.1 139 2.6 96 68 8 313 2,095 92.3
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Feb 15, 2016 10:43:16 GMT -6
Post by skinny51 on Feb 15, 2016 10:43:16 GMT -6
Oh I get it. I just don't think he is a solid candidate for the HOF...
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Feb 15, 2016 11:03:38 GMT -6
Post by fbs on Feb 15, 2016 11:03:38 GMT -6
put those stats up against your shoe in hall of famers and tell me he doesn't belong there. I'm not even a Warner fan, in fact I dislike the guy as a person, but you can't deny the guy can play.
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