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Post by bigern809 on Dec 13, 2016 10:51:56 GMT -6
Food for thought. Currently we are discussing only football. As we look at OSSAA's big picture, what would you think about going to 8 team districts for ALL sports. Should Byng with an enrollment of 410 really be playing fall baseball? Basketball and baseball could play home and home for playoff eligibility just like football. Your district is your district. You still have our current discussion about numbers. I know this is a Texas model and it hurts a guy to model anything after them, but their plan of splitting Division I and Division 2 after playoff teams are decided is not a bad idea. I have heard this is about to happen, but your football district will be different Baseball and basketball and softball will be the same
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Post by HAZAA on Dec 13, 2016 10:52:12 GMT -6
Food for thought. Currently we are discussing only football. As we look at OSSAA's big picture, what would you think about going to 8 team districts for ALL sports. Should Byng with an enrollment of 410 really be playing fall baseball? Basketball and baseball could play home and home for playoff eligibility just like football. Your district is your district. You still have our current discussion about numbers. I know this is a Texas model and it hurts a guy to model anything after them, but their plan of splitting Division I and Division 2 after playoff teams are decided is not a bad idea. I think this should happen. Every school making playoffs in basketball and baseball is a joke.
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Post by duels23 on Dec 13, 2016 10:52:26 GMT -6
I wouldn't go that far, bixby is not bad dude I agree with gpp, Bixby would not have hosted a playoff game in division 1 the passed three years. past
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Post by bigern809 on Dec 13, 2016 10:52:59 GMT -6
I meant to say is why does other sports being in different districts matter? Every sport we have here is in a different district. It was where I was last year also.
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Post by givepullorpitch on Dec 13, 2016 10:54:44 GMT -6
Food for thought. Currently we are discussing only football. As we look at OSSAA's big picture, what would you think about going to 8 team districts for ALL sports. Should Byng with an enrollment of 410 really be playing fall baseball? Basketball and baseball could play home and home for playoff eligibility just like football. Your district is your district. You still have our current discussion about numbers. I know this is a Texas model and it hurts a guy to model anything after them, but their plan of splitting Division I and Division 2 after playoff teams are decided is not a bad idea. I have heard this is about to happen, but your football district will be different Baseball and basketball and softball will be the same I hope not. Why patronize non football schools? The three most unlevel playing fields in Oklahoma high School athletics: 1. PRIVATE schools. Most of you on this board are big school guys and don't realize what a mess we have. The lawyers own the OSSAA. 2. Only two schools capable of winning the state's largest football class. ( I have no suggestions. Don't wear me out with the rest of you need to get better. The numbers don't lie. Kudos to the winners.) 3. Small Football playing schools being in the same Spring baseball class as Fall ball schools. The state championship numbers don't lie here either.
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Post by xdipster on Dec 13, 2016 11:09:16 GMT -6
Absolutely on #3. That's easy. Those guys are all in their own baseball class. I know our kids would love to not have to see Silo anymore in the Playoffs.
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Post by givepullorpitch on Dec 13, 2016 11:18:36 GMT -6
I wouldn't go that far, bixby is not bad dude I agree with gpp, Bixby would not have hosted a playoff game in division 1 the passed three years. Bixby did not make the playoffs the year before the split and has won three state championships since.
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Post by xdipster on Dec 13, 2016 11:29:15 GMT -6
While we are at it, look at this mess for track. We got third out of 96 schools. To be in the top 16 in your event and make it to state is much harder in our class than the rest.
6A - 32 Largest Schools 5A - Next 40 Largest Schools 4A - Next 56 Largest Schools 3A - Next 64 Largest Schools 2A - Next 96 Largest Schools A - All Remaining Schools
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Post by TOBC on Dec 14, 2016 10:33:17 GMT -6
While we are at it, look at this mess for track. We got third out of 96 schools. To be in the top 16 in your event and make it to state is much harder in our class than the rest. 6A - 32 Largest Schools 5A - Next 40 Largest Schools 4A - Next 56 Largest Schools 3A - Next 64 Largest Schools 2A - Next 96 Largest Schools A - All Remaining Schools yup. we finally drop to 4A this year after being in 5A for the last half dozen years.
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Post by email on Dec 14, 2016 10:43:45 GMT -6
While we are at it, look at this mess for track. We got third out of 96 schools. To be in the top 16 in your event and make it to state is much harder in our class than the rest. 6A - 32 Largest Schools 5A - Next 40 Largest Schools 4A - Next 56 Largest Schools 3A - Next 64 Largest Schools 2A - Next 96 Largest Schools A - All Remaining Schools yup. we finally drop to 4A this year after being in 5A for the last half dozen years. Yes and no dip, a lot of the 2a regionals don't even have 8 relay teams, or very many entries , I would like to see actual entry numbers in each event , In each class, then decide if it's "actually" harder. A lot of the schools listed in 2a and A track don't even have track teams, or it's a team of 3
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Post by xdipster on Dec 14, 2016 10:48:03 GMT -6
yup. we finally drop to 4A this year after being in 5A for the last half dozen years. Yes and no dip, a lot of the 2a regionals don't even have 8 relay teams, or very many entries , I would like to see actual entry numbers in each event , In each class, then decide if it's "actually" harder. A lot of the schools listed in 2a and A track don't even have track teams, or it's a team of 3 Stop making sense. I've seen the same argument in wrestling. Some bigger classes don't have full teams either in both sports. 96 by gosh. We had more 800 relay teams at our regional than the 3A schools did. Same for mile relay. We got in on both, but its crazy how many more we have than others.
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Post by email on Dec 14, 2016 14:11:33 GMT -6
Yep, when we were 3a track,there never was many of those at regionals
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Post by Deleted on Dec 15, 2016 11:23:59 GMT -6
Doesn't Texas do divisional playoffs?
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Post by email on Dec 15, 2016 11:52:58 GMT -6
Yes and no dip, a lot of the 2a regionals don't even have 8 relay teams, or very many entries , I would like to see actual entry numbers in each event , In each class, then decide if it's "actually" harder. A lot of the schools listed in 2a and A track don't even have track teams, or it's a team of 3 Stop making sense. I've seen the same argument in wrestling. Some bigger classes don't have full teams either in both sports. 96 by gosh. We had more 800 relay teams at our regional than the 3A schools did. Same for mile relay. We got in on both, but its crazy how many more we have than others. Arkansas, does qualifying times and distances, I think it is the average of the year before top 8 times. And anytime U run at a "qualifier" meet , u have. Chance to get in Or u can try at regionals, top 2 , I believe gets in then
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Post by gotemcoach on Dec 15, 2016 12:04:43 GMT -6
Doesn't Texas do divisional playoffs? Yes, but there is also like 64 teams per division in playoffs
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Post by Hitch on Dec 15, 2016 12:10:38 GMT -6
Doesn't Texas do divisional playoffs? If I'm not mistaken, 4A-6A divides into D1-D2 when the 4 teams clinch playoff berths... 1A-3A are already broken into d-1/d-2 prior to playoffs.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 15, 2016 12:55:18 GMT -6
Doesn't Texas do divisional playoffs? If I'm not mistaken, 4A-6A divides into D1-D2 when the 4 teams clinch playoff berths... 1A-3A are already broken into d-1/d-2 prior to playoffs. That's what I was thinking too.. What do ya'll think about that as a possibility? And would it be better to do pre-division or divisional once the 4 teams qualify? Only way to keep playoffs from being 5 rounds.
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Post by givepullorpitch on Dec 15, 2016 13:00:15 GMT -6
Stop making sense. I've seen the same argument in wrestling. Some bigger classes don't have full teams either in both sports. 96 by gosh. We had more 800 relay teams at our regional than the 3A schools did. Same for mile relay. We got in on both, but its crazy how many more we have than others. Arkansas, does qualifying times and distances, I think it is the average of the year before top 8 times. And anytime U run at a "qualifier" meet , u have. Chance to get in Or u can try at regionals, top 2 , I believe gets in then Years ago when I was on the Track advisory board, I thought we got pretty close to using qualifying standards as an alternate way to get to state besides just regional. As with all good ideas, it would have required someone keeping up with them and verifying them. OSSAA didn't want to mess with it.
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Post by BrennanHuff on Dec 15, 2016 13:01:08 GMT -6
If I'm not mistaken, 4A-6A divides into D1-D2 when the 4 teams clinch playoff berths... 1A-3A are already broken into d-1/d-2 prior to playoffs. That's what I was thinking too.. What do ya'll think about that as a possibility? And would it be better to do pre-division or divisional once the 4 teams qualify? Only way to keep playoffs from being 5 rounds. What is wrong with breaking them up into 32 team classes? 4 districts with 8 teams, current 5A down with 3A and 2A having 2 divisions. Class A has the remaining 11 man schools to help with scheduling.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 15, 2016 13:07:37 GMT -6
That's what I was thinking too.. What do ya'll think about that as a possibility? And would it be better to do pre-division or divisional once the 4 teams qualify? Only way to keep playoffs from being 5 rounds. What is wrong with breaking them up into 32 team classes? 4 districts with 8 teams, current 5A down with 3A and 2A having 2 divisions. Class A has the remaining 11 man schools to help with scheduling. That's basically what I'm saying.. Although I think you do it all classes. My thought though, is if you wait to break in to divisions until postseason comes it would help with scheduling/travel.
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