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Post by tonymontana on Mar 1, 2017 10:23:02 GMT -6
So what are the cons to Vert. PS HAHAHA!! Ask Lebowski!! He will give you a copy pasted version from a website! Knew that was coming!!!!!
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Post by Hands11 on Mar 1, 2017 10:24:05 GMT -6
BWAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! BWHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Lebowski never ceases to amaze!! I found it too blitz50!! Pure greatness! You ask a guy how "HE" coaches something and he goes to a website and copies and pastes it!! WOW!! brophyfootball.blogspot.com/2010/03/vertical-set.html?m=1I cannot wait to see Lebowski's deflection tactic to this one!! CAUGHT RED HANDED!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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Post by blitz50 on Mar 1, 2017 10:25:10 GMT -6
So what are the cons to Vert. PS 1. you have to rep the crap out of it, because if you get off level it will look like sh!t. 2. I think your qb has to get the ball out of his hands fast, if not he could have linemen in his lap. 3. Have to work and learn how to defeat the Bullrush. If you have a guy that is just over powered inside (G,C,G) you are going to have to find a way for him to get some help.
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Post by blitz50 on Mar 1, 2017 10:26:58 GMT -6
So what are the cons to Vert. PS 1. you have to rep the crap out of it, because if you get off level it will look like sh!t. 2. I think your qb has to get the ball out of his hands fast, if not he could have linemen in his lap. 3. Have to work and learn how to defeat the Bullrush. If you have a guy that is just over powered inside (G,C,G) you are going to have to find a way for him to get some help. I will say this though, I have never taught it, so this is speculation from me. And also what I have heard sitting in on clinic talks.
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Post by tonymontana on Mar 1, 2017 10:32:42 GMT -6
BWAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! BWHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Lebowski never ceases to amaze!! I found it too blitz50!! Pure greatness! You ask a guy how "HE" coaches something and he goes to a website and copies and pastes it!! WOW!! brophyfootball.blogspot.com/2010/03/vertical-set.html?m=1I cannot wait to see Lebowski's deflection tactic to this one!! CAUGHT RED HANDED!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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Post by Lebowski on Mar 1, 2017 10:33:47 GMT -6
LOL!
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Post by Lebowski on Mar 1, 2017 10:34:03 GMT -6
LOL!
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Post by Lebowski on Mar 1, 2017 10:35:24 GMT -6
BWAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! BWHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Lebowski never ceases to amaze!! I found it too blitz50!! Pure greatness! You ask a guy how "HE" coaches something and he goes to a website and copies and pastes it!! WOW!! brophyfootball.blogspot.com/2010/03/vertical-set.html?m=1I cannot wait to see Lebowski's deflection tactic to this one!! CAUGHT RED HANDED!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Well I don't have a deflection... Like you haven't stolen shat before. That's the business.
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Post by Lebowski on Mar 1, 2017 10:36:11 GMT -6
By the way the call with Sky-coach was awesome.
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Post by Hands11 on Mar 1, 2017 10:36:16 GMT -6
I think you are correct on #1, but on #2 if you vert pass set correctly your QB should be up in the pocket therefore he would have lineman in his lap. I'm assuming we are talking about tackles here. We teach our tackles to vertical pass set but not our guards. The hardest thing for me with our kids is getting them to believe that their depth on the vertical set will work at the point of contact when they intersect. Our guys get into the vertical set and want to reach or chase because they think the guy is going to run passed them. When, in reality, the deeper we get and the greater of an angle we create, he is running himself out of the play anyways.
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Post by Hands11 on Mar 1, 2017 10:38:18 GMT -6
I cannot wait to see Lebowski's deflection tactic to this one!! CAUGHT RED HANDED!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Well I don't have a deflection... Like you haven't stolen shat before. That's the business. Absolutely I've stolen stuff, but not when a convo comes up and someone asks, hey how do you teach it?? I just tell them, I don't go to a website and copy it and say here u go this is how we do it!
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Post by fbcoach78 on Mar 1, 2017 10:38:41 GMT -6
I pretty much agree with you hands. We vert with tackles and quick set with the guards. It allows for help inside and we can keep backs in to help tackles if needed. Also allows the qb to step up and leaves escape lanes for him.
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Post by Lebowski on Mar 1, 2017 10:39:11 GMT -6
To lazy... I hate typing and I was on a phone call with important people
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Post by Hands11 on Mar 1, 2017 10:40:35 GMT -6
To lazy... I hate typing and I was on a phone call with important people Uh yea we believe you *too
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Post by terrygordy on Mar 1, 2017 10:46:40 GMT -6
I think you are correct on #1, but on #2 if you vert pass set correctly your QB should be up in the pocket therefore he would have lineman in his lap. I'm assuming we are talking about tackles here. We teach our tackles to vertical pass set but not our guards. The hardest thing for me with our kids is getting them to believe that their depth on the vertical set will work at the point of contact when they intersect. Our guys get into the vertical set and want to reach or chase because they think the guy is going to run passed them. When, in reality, the deeper we get and the greater of an angle we create, he is running himself out of the play anyways. I have read that to get rid of this problem have your linemen set up on their 4th step and form a wall. I even heard a coach say that their QB was not comfortable with the 4 steps so they changed it to 2.
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Post by terrygordy on Mar 1, 2017 10:52:57 GMT -6
Also saw a coach vert. set and when the Oline made contact with the dline they would just use their regular pass pro techniques.
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Post by kennywayne9 on Mar 1, 2017 11:07:52 GMT -6
I think you are correct on #1, but on #2 if you vert pass set correctly your QB should be up in the pocket therefore he would have lineman in his lap. I'm assuming we are talking about tackles here. We teach our tackles to vertical pass set but not our guards. The hardest thing for me with our kids is getting them to believe that their depth on the vertical set will work at the point of contact when they intersect. Our guys get into the vertical set and want to reach or chase because they think the guy is going to run passed them. When, in reality, the deeper we get and the greater of an angle we create, he is running himself out of the play anyways. Past. You never can get that one right!
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Post by Lebowski on Mar 1, 2017 11:10:50 GMT -6
We run Zone. It's simpler to teach and we always have a 6th man to pick up the backside. We might change it up this year Full slide? Yes as far as our kids know its Full Zone Pass.
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Post by skinny51 on Mar 1, 2017 11:48:20 GMT -6
Im a width and depth pass set guy...never liked the vertical pass set...we quick set if we have a man and get width and depth if we have a gap...
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Post by kennywayne9 on Mar 1, 2017 11:49:51 GMT -6
Im a width and depth pass set guy...never liked the vertical pass set...we quick set if we have a man and get width and depth if we have a gap... So you're a half-slide PP guy?
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