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Post by tonymontana on Mar 1, 2017 8:40:38 GMT -6
Anyone do this??
Pros/Cons.
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Post by blitz50 on Mar 1, 2017 8:44:33 GMT -6
We are a semi Tony Franklin team and I spent a lot of time in clinic couple weeks ago listening to it. I do like how they are protecting against odd front defenses. However we do not fully Vert. set. The theories behind it our solid I think.
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Post by Lebowski on Mar 1, 2017 8:56:46 GMT -6
We are not good enough to do it.
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Post by Hands11 on Mar 1, 2017 9:21:27 GMT -6
We are a semi Tony Franklin team and I spent a lot of time in clinic couple weeks ago listening to it. I do like how they are protecting against odd front defenses. However we do not fully Vert. set. The theories behind it our solid I think. *are
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Post by Hands11 on Mar 1, 2017 9:22:11 GMT -6
We are not good enough to do it. If you were good enough to do it, how would you teach it?
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Post by Hitch on Mar 1, 2017 9:35:19 GMT -6
Y'all talking about what TECH did while Leach was there?
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Post by TOBC on Mar 1, 2017 9:36:46 GMT -6
Anyone do this?? Pros/Cons. allows your o-line to pick up on stunts and blitzes a little better because they are so far off the ball.
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Post by blitz50 on Mar 1, 2017 9:42:56 GMT -6
We are a semi Tony Franklin team and I spent a lot of time in clinic couple weeks ago listening to it. I do like how they are protecting against odd front defenses. However we do not fully Vert. set. The theories behind it our solid I think. *are Sorry!!
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Post by blitz50 on Mar 1, 2017 9:43:44 GMT -6
Anyone do this?? Pros/Cons. allows your o-line to pick up on stunts and blitzes a little better because they are so far off the ball. Yes I agree. I think it can also help limit first moves from a dline guy.
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Post by tonymontana on Mar 1, 2017 9:49:16 GMT -6
allows your o-line to pick up on stunts and blitzes a little better because they are so far off the ball. Yes I agree. I think it can also help limit first moves from a dline guy. Agree with both. In my mind it could be helpful to oline kids that lack some talent. Not an expert on teaching it though. Anyone know someone that would explain some things to me??
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Post by Lebowski on Mar 1, 2017 9:50:45 GMT -6
We are not good enough to do it. If you were good enough to do it, how would you teach it? Tons of footwork drills. Personally, how I would teach it we would rep the steps inside, outside, inside, outside with an emphasis on the first step explosion. Each stride should equal out to roughly a yard. This allows the line to keep everything in front of them with twists, stunts, angles, etc and confidently pick up threats. And also allows offensive linemen to remain square preventing an easy loss by turning the shoulders and improper leverage. One huge advantage, in my opinion, is that because you are retreating at a faster pace, you buy more time before engaging rushers. We all know the first step for a Defensive Linemen is wanting is to reach the blockers hips and gain leverage at all cost. By getting the blocker to open up a gap through turning, or by the defender getting the same horizontal plane of the blocker. That puts the Offensive lineman in trouble. By not keeping the shoulders square. With the vertical pass set the blocker is moving away from the defender at relatively the same speed, he is prolonging the time it will take for the defender to execute a swim or roll and causing a breakdown in protection and sacking the quarterback. Maybe one day we can teach it here. Maybe when I am not having to teach 4th-grade fundamentals to Sophomores and Freshmen.
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Post by xdipster on Mar 1, 2017 9:52:45 GMT -6
We horizonally pass set. Actually, we run a ton of play action stuff.
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Post by Lebowski on Mar 1, 2017 9:54:23 GMT -6
We horizonally pass set. Actually, we run a ton of play action stuff. We run Zone. It's simpler to teach and we always have a 6th man to pick up the backside. We might change it up this year
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Post by blitz50 on Mar 1, 2017 9:55:04 GMT -6
Yes I agree. I think it can also help limit first moves from a dline guy. Agree with both. In my mind it could be helpful to oline kids that lack some talent. Not an expert on teaching it though. Anyone know someone that would explain some things to me?? I think two key things you have to start with is staying square (on a line) in your set, and then the whole online setting together (do not want them off level).
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Post by kennywayne9 on Mar 1, 2017 9:55:26 GMT -6
We horizonally pass set. Actually, we run a ton of play action stuff. We run Zone. It's simpler to teach and we always have a 6th man to pick up the backside. We might change it up this year Full slide?
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Post by Hands11 on Mar 1, 2017 10:07:18 GMT -6
If you were good enough to do it, how would you teach it? Tons of footwork drills. Personally, how I would teach it we would rep the steps inside, outside, inside, outside with an emphasis on the first step explosion. Each stride should equal out to roughly a yard. This allows the line to keep everything in front of them with twists, stunts, angles, etc and confidently pick up threats. And also allows offensive linemen to remain square preventing an easy loss by turning the shoulders and improper leverage. One huge advantage, in my opinion, is that because you are retreating at a faster pace, you buy more time before engaging rushers. We all know the first step for a Defensive Linemen is wanting is to reach the blockers hips and gain leverage at all cost. By getting the blocker to open up a gap through turning, or by the defender getting the same horizontal plane of the blocker. That puts the Offensive lineman in trouble. By not keeping the shoulders square. With the vertical pass set the blocker is moving away from the defender at relatively the same speed, he is prolonging the time it will take for the defender to execute a swim or roll and causing a breakdown in protection and sacking the quarterback. Maybe one day we can teach it here. Maybe when I am not having to teach 4th-grade fundamentals to Sophomores and Freshmen. What website did you plagiarize this from??
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Post by blitz50 on Mar 1, 2017 10:16:21 GMT -6
Tons of footwork drills. Personally, how I would teach it we would rep the steps inside, outside, inside, outside with an emphasis on the first step explosion. Each stride should equal out to roughly a yard. This allows the line to keep everything in front of them with twists, stunts, angles, etc and confidently pick up threats. And also allows offensive linemen to remain square preventing an easy loss by turning the shoulders and improper leverage. One huge advantage, in my opinion, is that because you are retreating at a faster pace, you buy more time before engaging rushers. We all know the first step for a Defensive Linemen is wanting is to reach the blockers hips and gain leverage at all cost. By getting the blocker to open up a gap through turning, or by the defender getting the same horizontal plane of the blocker. That puts the Offensive lineman in trouble. By not keeping the shoulders square. With the vertical pass set the blocker is moving away from the defender at relatively the same speed, he is prolonging the time it will take for the defender to execute a swim or roll and causing a breakdown in protection and sacking the quarterback. Maybe one day we can teach it here. Maybe when I am not having to teach 4th-grade fundamentals to Sophomores and Freshmen. What website did you plagiarize this from?? brophyfootball.blogspot.com/2010_03_01_archive.html
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Post by Hands11 on Mar 1, 2017 10:19:54 GMT -6
BWAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! BWHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Lebowski never ceases to amaze!! I found it too blitz50!! Pure greatness! You ask a guy how "HE" coaches something and he goes to a website and copies and pastes it!! WOW!! brophyfootball.blogspot.com/2010/03/vertical-set.html?m=1
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Post by tonymontana on Mar 1, 2017 10:20:41 GMT -6
So what are the cons to Vert. PS
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Post by Hands11 on Mar 1, 2017 10:21:51 GMT -6
So what are the cons to Vert. PS HAHAHA!! Ask Lebowski!! He will give you a copy pasted version from a website!
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