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Post by xdipster on Feb 11, 2020 13:30:56 GMT -6
I am on the track advisory committee, so was wondering if there are any issues track wise that should be taken up to the OSSAA? Don't know how many of you are in track, but I'd love to hear suggestions or issues that might need to be addressed. This is for Oklahoma.
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Post by givepullorpitch on Feb 11, 2020 14:29:02 GMT -6
Maybe just my old school, but the new format at state not running prelims in the mile relay is wrong. If your time out of regional puts you in the slow heat, your screwed. We used to coach, “Toughness on the second day wins the mile relay.”
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Post by Hitch on Feb 11, 2020 15:00:08 GMT -6
Y'all do a one day or 2 day state meet?
It's easy for us. Top 9 from the 4 regions get in. NO prelims, straight finals. Random computer drawn lane assignments.
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Post by givepullorpitch on Feb 11, 2020 16:04:15 GMT -6
Y'all do a one day or 2 day state meet? It's easy for us. Top 9 from the 4 regions get in. NO prelims, straight finals. Random computer drawn lane assignments. Yep, multiple qualifying steps in Texas. Very elite state meet. More population in the DFW metro than the whole state of Oklahoma. Pros and cons of both methodologies.
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Post by Hitch on Feb 12, 2020 12:08:26 GMT -6
2 heats of the mile relay at State is no bueno por caca!
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Post by ThedamGOAT on Feb 12, 2020 12:57:15 GMT -6
provide grills at the circles
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Post by xdipster on Feb 12, 2020 14:18:31 GMT -6
Y'all do a one day or 2 day state meet? It's easy for us. Top 9 from the 4 regions get in. NO prelims, straight finals. Random computer drawn lane assignments. 2 day meets. Top 16 get in. Top 3 from 4 regionals, then the next 4 best after those 12.
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Post by xdipster on Feb 12, 2020 14:20:13 GMT -6
Maybe just my old school, but the new format at state not running prelims in the mile relay is wrong. If your time out of regional puts you in the slow heat, your screwed. We used to coach, “Toughness on the second day wins the mile relay.” I like this idea personally. Bad weather in one regional can't mess with who should be in the final basically.
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Post by Hitch on Feb 12, 2020 14:21:39 GMT -6
Y'all do a one day or 2 day state meet? It's easy for us. Top 9 from the 4 regions get in. NO prelims, straight finals. Random computer drawn lane assignments. 2 day meets. Top 16 get in. Top 3 from 4 regionals, then the next 4 best after those 12. So why don't the run prelims of mile relay like everything else?
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Post by givepullorpitch on Feb 12, 2020 14:49:48 GMT -6
2 day meets. Top 16 get in. Top 3 from 4 regionals, then the next 4 best after those 12. So why don't the run prelims of mile relay like everything else? We used to run prelims on everything 400 and down including 4x200 and 4x400. The 4x800, 800, 1600, and 3200 were finals because you could easily get 16 on the track with a one turn stagger. When we added the 4x200 for boys, they ran timed finals in the 4x200 and 4x400. Sucks
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Post by Hitch on Feb 12, 2020 14:50:35 GMT -6
You are correct, sir! That does suck.
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Post by givepullorpitch on Feb 12, 2020 14:54:55 GMT -6
Maybe just my old school, but the new format at state not running prelims in the mile relay is wrong. If your time out of regional puts you in the slow heat, your screwed. We used to coach, “Toughness on the second day wins the mile relay.” I like this idea personally. Bad weather in one regional can't mess with who should be in the final basically. If you are good and have some depth, you can run another kid or two on Friday and save your best for Saturday. Saturday is a short meet time-wise and can really tax a great one in several finals. We had some depth, but I never had the courage not to run my best on Friday. What if you didn’t get in?
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Post by xdipster on Feb 13, 2020 9:50:28 GMT -6
2 day meets. Top 16 get in. Top 3 from 4 regionals, then the next 4 best after those 12. So why don't the run prelims of mile relay like everything else? This is a good question. Most say time constraints. The 800, 1600, 3200, and 4x800 nobody complains about. They run finals for the 4x200 as last event on first day, and the 4x400 as the last event on last day. If you qualify in the 4x100,100, 200, and 4x400, you end up running 8 races in two days. Its an interesting analogy, because one week prior you had to run all of your events in one day. I had a distance stud graduate last year. He won the 800, Mile, and was 2nd in the 2 mile. Also ran the 4x800. Did that all in one day 2 years in a row the Saturday before the state meet. Id rather run 4 and 4 in two days instead of 8 in one is my point. What it really triggers is a wish by many old timers as a way to get rid of the 4x200.
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Post by Hitch on Feb 13, 2020 9:52:34 GMT -6
That's the problem! Y'all let them run in 4 events. We can run in 3, and be in 2 field events, max. Or be in 3 field events and run in two.
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Post by givepullorpitch on Feb 13, 2020 10:10:51 GMT -6
So why don't the run prelims of mile relay like everything else? This is a good question. Most say time constraints. The 800, 1600, 3200, and 4x800 nobody complains about. They run finals for the 4x200 as last event on first day, and the 4x400 as the last event on last day. If you qualify in the 4x100,100, 200, and 4x400, you end up running 8 races in two days. Its an interesting analogy, because one week prior you had to run all of your events in one day. I had a distance turd ferguson graduate last year. He won the 800, Mile, and was 2nd in the 2 mile. Also ran the 4x800. Did that all in one day 2 years in a row the Saturday before the state meet. Id rather run 4 and 4 in two days instead of 8 in one is my point. What it really triggers is a wish by many old timers as a way to get rid of the 4x200. Yes, old timer here. I was on the track advisory committee for years doing this time. Girls had 16 events and boys 16. Girls ran 4x200 and boys pole vaulted. When girl’s PV was added they kept girls 4x200 making girls w 17 events, boys w 16. I advocated for years, do away with girls 4x200 or add it to the boys. When we added 4x200 to boys in Oklahoma, with double relay points it shifted team successes more to sprinter teams and less mid distance and good field event teams.
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Post by email on Feb 13, 2020 23:57:45 GMT -6
I am on the track advisory committee, so was wondering if there are any issues track wise that should be taken up to the OSSAA? Don't know how many of you are in track, but I'd love to hear suggestions or issues that might need to be addressed. This is for Oklahoma. Why does the rule read “4 track meets MUST not have lost time of instruction” To me that means if I can only schedule 4, then all 4 Must be on Saturday, or after school. This makes it really hard on us schools near one of the borders. Until this year, I always thought the rule was ;you were ALLOWED to miss 4 days of instruction.
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Post by givepullorpitch on Feb 14, 2020 1:06:43 GMT -6
You are saying the same thing. It used to be you may run in eight meets, but only four can have loss of instruction. I’ve been retired a couple of years and not as well versed when I spent the last several years in the corner office before that.
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Post by xdipster on Feb 14, 2020 9:22:29 GMT -6
I am on the track advisory committee, so was wondering if there are any issues track wise that should be taken up to the OSSAA? Don't know how many of you are in track, but I'd love to hear suggestions or issues that might need to be addressed. This is for Oklahoma. Why does the rule read “4 track meets MUST not have lost time of instruction” To me that means if I can only schedule 4, then all 4 Must be on Saturday, or after school. This makes it really hard on us schools near one of the borders. Until this year, I always thought the rule was ;you were ALLOWED to miss 4 days of instruction. Its like a double negative. Jhigh gets 6 meets, 4 can miss school for. HS gets 8, can miss school for 4. Our argument at the business meeting is we are the only sport limited by OSSAA as to how many days of school can be missed for our sport. Its hard to get enough workers for a track meet, and even harder to get them on a Saturday. FFA and golf can miss a lot more, but I don't get how we are singled out at all. Administrators can decide per school if and when teams can get out of classes for competition. IMHO, best way to do things. Some schools have to drive hours to get to another school with a track. So will miss instruction and will usually not get 8 meets. If you live near one of the cities, you can usually start at 4 or 5 and be fine. So the rule actually creates an unfair advantage for urban and suburban schools.
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Post by xdipster on Feb 14, 2020 9:30:10 GMT -6
This is a good question. Most say time constraints. The 800, 1600, 3200, and 4x800 nobody complains about. They run finals for the 4x200 as last event on first day, and the 4x400 as the last event on last day. If you qualify in the 4x100,100, 200, and 4x400, you end up running 8 races in two days. Its an interesting analogy, because one week prior you had to run all of your events in one day. I had a distance turd ferguson graduate last year. He won the 800, Mile, and was 2nd in the 2 mile. Also ran the 4x800. Did that all in one day 2 years in a row the Saturday before the state meet. Id rather run 4 and 4 in two days instead of 8 in one is my point. What it really triggers is a wish by many old timers as a way to get rid of the 4x200. Yes, old timer here. I was on the track advisory committee for years doing this time. Girls had 16 events and boys 16. Girls ran 4x200 and boys pole vaulted. When girl’s PV was added they kept girls 4x200 making girls w 17 events, boys w 16. I advocated for years, do away with girls 4x200 or add it to the boys. When we added 4x200 to boys in Oklahoma, with double relay points it shifted team successes more to sprinter teams and less mid distance and good field event teams. At times I think a good way to make things a bit more interesting is to stop giving double points for relays. A lot of coaches see it as the rules were all fine for the powers that be when they had good relays across the board, but now that some big time programs might lack sprinters, they are against it. I have heard this when talking about Weatherford, for example. One of the better programs in the state. They won this past year by having dominant middle distance and field events. And I guarantee you Seifried does not like the 4x200 at all still. Now a lot of guys old and young agree with him. That's because he and others don't think it should be done unless done in the olympics.
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Post by givepullorpitch on Feb 14, 2020 9:34:54 GMT -6
Why does the rule read “4 track meets MUST not have lost time of instruction” To me that means if I can only schedule 4, then all 4 Must be on Saturday, or after school. This makes it really hard on us schools near one of the borders. Until this year, I always thought the rule was ;you were ALLOWED to miss 4 days of instruction. Its like a double negative. Jhigh gets 6 meets, 4 can miss school for. HS gets 8, can miss school for 4. Our argument at the business meeting is we are the only sport limited by OSSAA as to how many days of school can be missed for our sport. Its hard to get enough workers for a track meet, and even harder to get them on a Saturday. FFA and golf can miss a lot more, but I don't get how we are singled out at all. Administrators can decide per school if and when teams can get out of classes for competition. IMHO, best way to do things. Some schools have to drive hours to get to another school with a track. So will miss instruction and will usually not get 8 meets. If you live near one of the cities, you can usually start at 4 or 5 and be fine. So the rule actually creates an unfair advantage for urban and suburban schools. Agree. Golf only competes on school days due to course availability. I do resent track coaches that will only go to a meet if they get out of school. Work as hard for track kids as you do for football.
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