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6A
Dec 1, 2015 7:35:35 GMT -6
Post by tonymontana on Dec 1, 2015 7:35:35 GMT -6
Dumbest statement I've ever read on here. I don't see why you say that. I love looking at the top ten rankings in 6A and 6A JV. Only five teams are left out. If you make the playoffs in either 6A or 6A JV you are already in the quarterfinals. In A, 2A, and 3A, you have to win two playoff games just to sniff the quarterfinals. Every other year, in your 3rd round game, you are playing another district champion on their home field. No such thing as neutral sites. So is conference USA harder to win than Big 12 because they have more teams???
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6A
Dec 1, 2015 8:09:16 GMT -6
Post by Hands11 on Dec 1, 2015 8:09:16 GMT -6
Dumbest statement I've ever read on here. I don't see why you say that. I love looking at the top ten rankings in 6A and 6A JV. Only five teams are left out. If you make the playoffs in either 6A or 6A JV you are already in the quarterfinals. In A, 2A, and 3A, you have to win two playoff games just to sniff the quarterfinals. Every other year, in your 3rd round game, you are playing another district champion on their home field. No such thing as neutral sites. I would have to disagree! If you are one of the BEST teams in the state in your respective class you are going to be a quarterfinalist or state semi finalist barring an unlikely upset which can happen no matter how many teams are in the bracket. In those smaller classes that you are talking about, those first round games 90% of the time are won by the higher seeded teams by 40 points or more, so can you really count those?? AND argue that because you are playing an extra game or 2 that it is tougher?? In my opinion STARTING in the quarterfinals immediately after the regular season is tougher!
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6A
Dec 1, 2015 8:11:01 GMT -6
Post by givepullorpitch on Dec 1, 2015 8:11:01 GMT -6
Coaching is coaching. You have to teach them how to block and tackle. People who think 5A and 6A coaches are the only ones who know what they are doing don't get it. The difficulty of winning in Conference USA from a coaching perspective is just as difficult as the Big 12. Mind you, I said coaching perspective. You are all trying to recruit the same athletes that the big conferences don't want. Could a 2A school compete with a 6A school? Absolutely not. Does that mean that 2A coach is not as good of coach as the 6A coach? Absolutely not. Often the small school guy has to be more creative because of his limited athlete choices.
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6A
Dec 1, 2015 8:13:16 GMT -6
Post by Hands11 on Dec 1, 2015 8:13:16 GMT -6
Good point gpp, but i still don't think that makes the smaller school playoffs any tougher because you have to play an extra game as i stated in my previous post.
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6A
Dec 1, 2015 8:21:31 GMT -6
Post by givepullorpitch on Dec 1, 2015 8:21:31 GMT -6
Good point gpp, but i still don't think that makes the smaller school playoffs any tougher because you have to play an extra game as i stated in my previous post. My point is that in one class you must beat 55 other schools. In another class you must beat 14 other schools. The math says A, 2A, and 3A chances of winning a state championship are 1.8%. 6A and 6A JV chances are 7.1%
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6A
Dec 1, 2015 8:25:34 GMT -6
Post by tonymontana on Dec 1, 2015 8:25:34 GMT -6
Coaching is coaching. You have to teach them how to block and tackle. People who think 5A and 6A coaches are the only ones who know what they are doing don't get it. The difficulty of winning in Conference USA from a coaching perspective is just as difficult as the Big 12. Mind you, I said coaching perspective. You are all trying to recruit the same athletes that the big conferences don't want. Could a 2A school compete with a 6A school? Absolutely not. Does that mean that 2A coach is not as good of coach as the 6A coach? Absolutely not. Often the small school guy has to be more creative because of his limited athlete choices. Who here has said that?? Ive coached 2a to 6a and will say 6a is the hardest to MAKE the playoffs. In 2a we might have two tough teams in our district. h3ll in 3a we were a terrible 4 seed and beat the piss out of a 9-1 1 seed!!!
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6A
Dec 1, 2015 8:26:49 GMT -6
Post by tonymontana on Dec 1, 2015 8:26:49 GMT -6
Good point gpp, but i still don't think that makes the smaller school playoffs any tougher because you have to play an extra game as i stated in my previous post. My point is that in one class you must beat 55 other schools. In another class you must beat 14 other schools. The math says A, 2A, and 3A chances of winning a state championship are 1.8%. 6A and 6A JV chances are 7.1% 55 and half of those suck. Can't get lined up and flat out don't care.
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6A
Dec 1, 2015 8:27:19 GMT -6
Post by tonymontana on Dec 1, 2015 8:27:19 GMT -6
givepullorpitch about an hour ago givepullorpitch said: Be nice to only have 15 teams in a class. A state championship in A, 2a 3a is tougher. Dumbest statement I've ever read on here Not real sure on how to copy and paste a previous post, tried it the old fashioned way, doesn't look real good. Anyway what I think givepullorpitch is getting at is the fact that in 2A & A you must win 5 games to win a championship. That's another half of a season with teams that have the least amount of depth. Staying healthy is the key in any classification but the bigger schools play less playoff games. Try to go through a 2A or A bracket with anywhere from 18-25 kids on your team. Now that's what I think he meant by tougher. I know what he's saying. I strongly disagree. Apples and oranges.
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6A
Dec 1, 2015 8:34:10 GMT -6
Post by givepullorpitch on Dec 1, 2015 8:34:10 GMT -6
"Apparently a half of the 14 in 6A suck,can't line up and flat out don't care either because only 2 schools have won that state championship since 1995." The statement I just made was stupid and not true because I know better. There are great coaches at places other than Jenks and Union. Isn't that the same statement you made however?
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6A
Dec 1, 2015 8:40:28 GMT -6
Post by tonymontana on Dec 1, 2015 8:40:28 GMT -6
"Apparently a half of the 14 in 6A suck,can't line up and flat out don't care either because only 2 schools have won that state championship since 1995." The statement I just made was stupid and not true because I know better. There are great coaches at places other than Jenks and Union. Isn't that the same statement you made however? Nope I think at smaller schools you have more that don't care. You have staffs where one guy is a "football" coach the others may just be there because they have to. I'm speaking from experience not just making crap up. I've coached against team that couldn't get lined up and coached talked pregame about basketball season.....that has NEVER happened since I've coach 6a. That's MY experience. Now tell me about your 6a experience since you seem to know all about it.
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6A
Dec 1, 2015 8:41:30 GMT -6
Post by onemorerep on Dec 1, 2015 8:41:30 GMT -6
"Apparently a half of the 14 in 6A suck,can't line up and flat out don't care either because only 2 schools have won that state championship since 1995." The statement I just made was stupid and not true because I know better. There are great coaches at places other than Jenks and Union. Isn't that the same statement you made however? Nope I think at smaller schools you have more that don't care. You have staffs where one guy is a "football" coach the others may just be there because they have to. I'm speaking from experience not just making crap up. I've coached against team that couldn't get lined up and coached talked pregame about basketball season.....that has NEVER happened since I've coach 6a. That's MY experience. Now tell me about your 6a experience since you seem to know all about it. what?
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6A
Dec 1, 2015 8:49:27 GMT -6
Post by tonymontana on Dec 1, 2015 8:49:27 GMT -6
Nope I think at smaller schools you have more that don't care. You have staffs where one guy is a "football" coach the others may just be there because they have to. I'm speaking from experience not just making crap up. I've coached against team that couldn't get lined up and coached talked pregame about basketball season.....that has NEVER happened since I've coach 6a. That's MY experience. Now tell me about your 6a experience since you seem to know all about it. what? ed....my bad. I appreciate you being my secretary though.
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6A
Dec 1, 2015 8:53:03 GMT -6
Post by Hands11 on Dec 1, 2015 8:53:03 GMT -6
I hear OMR is a "really good" secretary!!
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6A
Dec 1, 2015 8:58:48 GMT -6
Post by tonymontana on Dec 1, 2015 8:58:48 GMT -6
Coaching is coaching. You have to teach them how to block and tackle. People who think 5A and 6A coaches are the only ones who know what they are doing don't get it. The difficulty of winning in Conference USA from a coaching perspective is just as difficult as the Big 12. Mind you, I said coaching perspective. You are all trying to recruit the same athletes that the big conferences don't want. Could a 2A school compete with a 6A school? Absolutely not. Does that mean that 2A coach is not as good of coach as the 6A coach? Absolutely not. Often the small school guy has to be more creative because of his limited athlete choices. Missed this earlier. Not at all. Have coached with guys at 6a level that only know their tiny role on our staff. They had no clue about other positions because they never needed to know. Smaller school coordinator you better be able to coach every position because at some point you will.
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6A
Dec 1, 2015 9:05:16 GMT -6
Post by Lebowski on Dec 1, 2015 9:05:16 GMT -6
Coaching is coaching. You have to teach them how to block and tackle. People who think 5A and 6A coaches are the only ones who know what they are doing don't get it. The difficulty of winning in Conference USA from a coaching perspective is just as difficult as the Big 12. Mind you, I said coaching perspective. You are all trying to recruit the same athletes that the big conferences don't want. Could a 2A school compete with a 6A school? Absolutely not. Does that mean that 2A coach is not as good of coach as the 6A coach? Absolutely not. Often the small school guy has to be more creative because of his limited athlete choices. Missed this earlier. Not at all. Have coached with guys at 6a level that only know their tiny role on our staff. They had no clue about other positions because they never needed to know. Smaller school coordinator you better be able to coach every position because at some point you will. Agreed
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Dec 1, 2015 9:06:33 GMT -6
Post by Deleted on Dec 1, 2015 9:06:33 GMT -6
Too many people get caught up in the number of A's. I know a 3A coach that, in my opinion, is one of the best coaches in the state of Texas and can coach circles around some of the 5-6A guys I know.
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6A
Dec 1, 2015 9:13:09 GMT -6
Post by Hands11 on Dec 1, 2015 9:13:09 GMT -6
Nice avatar chikin! Is that your new boyfriend??
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Dec 1, 2015 9:14:51 GMT -6
Post by tonymontana on Dec 1, 2015 9:14:51 GMT -6
Nice avatar chikin! Is that your new boyfriend?? Chicken pretend that headset mic is his c0ck
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Dec 1, 2015 9:14:57 GMT -6
Post by Deleted on Dec 1, 2015 9:14:57 GMT -6
Lost a bet to the Hitcher. But, I'm a man of my word.
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Dec 1, 2015 9:15:25 GMT -6
Post by Deleted on Dec 1, 2015 9:15:25 GMT -6
Coach Bro in the house.
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