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Dec 1, 2015 9:15:52 GMT -6
Post by Hands11 on Dec 1, 2015 9:15:52 GMT -6
Nice avatar chikin! Is that your new boyfriend?? Chicken pretend that headset mic is his c0ck
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Dec 1, 2015 9:16:05 GMT -6
Post by Deleted on Dec 1, 2015 9:16:05 GMT -6
lol
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Dec 1, 2015 9:28:34 GMT -6
Post by tonymontana on Dec 1, 2015 9:28:34 GMT -6
Where did GPP go or was it GPP Jr. ?
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Dec 1, 2015 9:30:09 GMT -6
Post by Deleted on Dec 1, 2015 9:30:09 GMT -6
I get a kick out of the Large school/Small school arguments about the 6AI and 6AII subject. It seems that the small schools know more about 6A issues than the 6A coaches. It is hard to be successful at ANY level. Large class numbers, 16 to 64, don't dictate toughness in winning a championship.
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Dec 1, 2015 9:38:04 GMT -6
Post by Hands11 on Dec 1, 2015 9:38:04 GMT -6
I get a kick out of the Large school/Small school arguments about the 6AI and 6AII subject. It seems that the small schools know more about 6A issues than the 6A coaches. It is hard to be successful at ANY level. Large class numbers, 16 to 64, don't dictate toughness in winning a championship. BOOM! EXACTAMUNDO!!
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Dec 1, 2015 9:46:07 GMT -6
Post by duels23 on Dec 1, 2015 9:46:07 GMT -6
well, another way to look at is this:
in the 6A-1 semifinals last week, you had 4 schools with a combined enrollment of about 15,000 kids (BA-4900, Union-4800, Jenks -3200, Santa Fe-2300). at the same time, you had 16 class C schools (approx. 1200 kids), 16 class B schools (approx. 1600 kids) 32 class A schools (approx. 5500 kids), 32 2A schools (approx. 7000 kids)...........add up the 96 schools who were in the playoffs that week in classes C-2A and you have about 15,000 kids. take the 4 teams in 6A-1 that week and you have about as many kids. man, that right there says a lot about how tough the 6A level is - you may not have to beat as many schools, but you sure are having to beat a lot more people overall, numbers-wise.
5 rounds of playoffs in the lower levels, 3 rounds in 6A. way more kids in 6A vs not very many in A/2A/etc... there's good coaches at both ends of the spectrum - each end just presents you with different opportunities or avenues to prove you're the best.
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Dec 1, 2015 9:52:52 GMT -6
Post by tonymontana on Dec 1, 2015 9:52:52 GMT -6
well, another way to look at is this: in the 6A-1 semifinals last week, you had 4 schools with a combined enrollment of about 15,000 kids (BA-4900, Union-4800, Jenks -3200, Santa Fe-2300). at the same time, you had 16 class C schools (approx. 1200 kids), 16 class B schools (approx. 1600 kids) 32 class A schools (approx. 5500 kids), 32 2A schools (approx. 7000 kids)...........add up the 96 schools who were in the playoffs that week in classes C-2A and you have about 15,000 kids. take the 4 teams in 6A-1 that week and you have about as many kids. man, that right there says a lot about how tough the 6A level is - you may not have to beat as many schools, but you sure are having to be a lot more people overall, numbers-wise. 5 rounds of playoffs in the lower levels, 3 rounds in 6A. way more kids in 6A vs not very many in A/2A/etc... there's good coaches at both ends of the spectrum - each end just presents you with different opportunities or avenues to prove you're the best. Agreed. Thats why this statement " Be nice to only have 15 teams in a class. A state championship in A, 2a 3a is tougher." was so dumb to me.
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Dec 1, 2015 10:12:01 GMT -6
Post by TOBC on Dec 1, 2015 10:12:01 GMT -6
guys, in the end, it doesn't matter what class your coaching in. the deeper in the playoffs you go, the tougher it gets to win. we can all agree to that.
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Dec 1, 2015 10:12:50 GMT -6
Post by jmstreeter on Dec 1, 2015 10:12:50 GMT -6
From my experience in both 6A and in coaching in the lower classes is that from 4A on down the number of perennial contenders is larger than 6A and the occasional school that wins an more than what they are accustomed to are larger as well. In both 6A 1 and 6A 2 it is the usual cast of contenders and pretenders each year with the usual surprise school that wins a an unexpected game or two and gets a surprise win in the playoffs.
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Dec 1, 2015 11:39:58 GMT -6
Post by givepullorpitch on Dec 1, 2015 11:39:58 GMT -6
Where did GPP go or was it GPP Jr. ? Sorry, I have a school to run. You all make valid points. My point is you better be able to do it all in a small school. That applies to coaching as well as running a school.
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Dec 1, 2015 12:07:27 GMT -6
Post by givepullorpitch on Dec 1, 2015 12:07:27 GMT -6
well, another way to look at is this: in the 6A-1 semifinals last week, you had 4 schools with a combined enrollment of about 15,000 kids (BA-4900, Union-4800, Jenks -3200, Santa Fe-2300). at the same time, you had 16 class C schools (approx. 1200 kids), 16 class B schools (approx. 1600 kids) 32 class A schools (approx. 5500 kids), 32 2A schools (approx. 7000 kids)...........add up the 96 schools who were in the playoffs that week in classes C-2A and you have about 15,000 kids. take the 4 teams in 6A-1 that week and you have about as many kids. man, that right there says a lot about how tough the 6A level is - you may not have to beat as many schools, but you sure are having to beat a lot more people overall, numbers-wise. 5 rounds of playoffs in the lower levels, 3 rounds in 6A. way more kids in 6A vs not very many in A/2A/etc... there's good coaches at both ends of the spectrum - each end just presents you with different opportunities or avenues to prove you're the best. You make a good point. May I counter that point. Find the total number of students in high schools in Texas. Then find the total in Oklahoma. We all agree football in Texas is outstanding. However, lately our big schools have been holding their own in Texas. Texas coaches are convinced most Okie coaches don't know what they are doing, or they would be in Texas. My point is; when considering the difference in the population bases, Oklahoma does a pretty good job. Texicans make fun of us for having only 15 schools in a class and maybe that is justified. As primarily a small school guy, I can only dream of having only 15 schools in a class. It's tough to win in any class I totally agree, It is also tough to get lucky breaks and stay healthy in five playoff games as opposed to three.
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Dec 1, 2015 12:31:35 GMT -6
Post by washeduphasbeen on Dec 1, 2015 12:31:35 GMT -6
A good discussion, my comment early on was concerning the lack of depth in the smaller classes that have an extra game in the playoffs. I "think" tonymontoya disagreed with my thoughts but I will stand by them. I have coached in Class A-3A and in 6A, I do think the kids are better coached in the larger classes because many only play one side of the ball and many coaches only coach one side of the ball which means more reps for the player. I do think that depth is a problem. Maybe I'm missing the point of this discussion, but oh well it's not the first or last time I have been confused.
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Dec 1, 2015 12:36:46 GMT -6
Post by TOBC on Dec 1, 2015 12:36:46 GMT -6
well, another way to look at is this: in the 6A-1 semifinals last week, you had 4 schools with a combined enrollment of about 15,000 kids (BA-4900, Union-4800, Jenks -3200, Santa Fe-2300). at the same time, you had 16 class C schools (approx. 1200 kids), 16 class B schools (approx. 1600 kids) 32 class A schools (approx. 5500 kids), 32 2A schools (approx. 7000 kids)...........add up the 96 schools who were in the playoffs that week in classes C-2A and you have about 15,000 kids. take the 4 teams in 6A-1 that week and you have about as many kids. man, that right there says a lot about how tough the 6A level is - you may not have to beat as many schools, but you sure are having to beat a lot more people overall, numbers-wise. 5 rounds of playoffs in the lower levels, 3 rounds in 6A. way more kids in 6A vs not very many in A/2A/etc... there's good coaches at both ends of the spectrum - each end just presents you with different opportunities or avenues to prove you're the best. You make a good point. May I counter that point. Find the total number of students in high schools in Texas. Then find the total in Oklahoma. We all agree football in Texas is outstanding. However, lately our big schools have been holding their own in Texas. Texas coaches are convinced most Okie coaches don't know what they are doing, or they would be in Texas. My point is; when considering the difference in the population bases, Oklahoma does a pretty good job. Texicans make fun of us for having only 15 schools in a class and maybe that is justified. As primarily a small school guy, I can only dream of having only 15 schools in a class. It's tough to win in any class I totally agree, It is also tough to get lucky breaks and stay healthy in five playoff games as opposed to three. the few texas guys we have on here are good dudes. they know we all coach and love what we do. and like the old saying goes "its all about the jimmy's and the joe's not the x's and the o's".
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Dec 1, 2015 13:17:33 GMT -6
Post by Deleted on Dec 1, 2015 13:17:33 GMT -6
Exactly, it's about the Jimmys and Joes......
-Union's coach didn't win a championship at Owasso or Stillwater, but has won several at Union. -BA has it's share of really good head coaches and not won a championship. -Muskogee ain't Guthrie. Guthrie's former coach won multiple there. -Jenk's coach didn't invent football. -Clinton's coach knew when it was time to retire. two years ago. -Heritage Hall has won with a father and then the son w/zero HC experience.
I've seen some really good coaches in Oklahoma HS and I've seen some really bad coaches in Oklahoma HS. Believe it not.........not all good coaches are at successful programs.
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Dec 1, 2015 13:18:09 GMT -6
Post by Deleted on Dec 1, 2015 13:18:09 GMT -6
I'm living proof of tobc's statement.
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Dec 1, 2015 13:20:21 GMT -6
Post by Deleted on Dec 1, 2015 13:20:21 GMT -6
Exactly, it's about the Jimmys and Joes......
-Union's coach didn't win a championship at Owasso or Stillwater, but has won several at Union. -BA has it's share of really good head coaches and not won a championship. -Muskogee ain't Guthrie. Guthrie's former coach won multiple there. -Jenk's coach didn't invent football. -Clinton's coach knew when it was time to retire. two years ago. -Heritage Hall has won with a father and then the son w/zero HC experience.
I've seen some really good coaches in Oklahoma HS and I've seen some really bad coaches in Oklahoma HS. Believe it not.........not all good coaches are at successful programs.
Yep. I believe this to be very true.
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Dec 1, 2015 13:31:12 GMT -6
Post by jmstreeter on Dec 1, 2015 13:31:12 GMT -6
Exactly, it's about the Jimmys and Joes......
-Union's coach didn't win a championship at Owasso or Stillwater, but has won several at Union. -BA has it's share of really good head coaches and not won a championship. -Muskogee ain't Guthrie. Guthrie's former coach won multiple there. -Jenk's coach didn't invent football. -Clinton's coach knew when it was time to retire. two years ago. -Heritage Hall has won with a father and then the son w/zero HC experience.
I've seen some really good coaches in Oklahoma HS and I've seen some really bad coaches in Oklahoma HS. Believe it not.........not all good coaches are at successful programs.
Amen to that coach!!!! All coaches are smart when they have the players, especially D1 players at that, but when you don't have those next level guys you go from genius to dumb arse quick, fast and in a hurry. To take your point even further, former HC at Clinton saw what he had coming thru the pipeline and what was returning and got out; HC at Heritage Hall inherited a good group of returning kids this year, lets see how smart he is next year when all those seniors are gone and that is a big group he is losing. I know the HC at Muskogee due to the fact I coached against him for several years and he has said the football is night and day from his days at Guthrie. BA should be better and have at least 1 or 2 championships with almost 5k kids, and Jenks and Union speaks for itself.
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Dec 1, 2015 13:40:10 GMT -6
Post by TOBC on Dec 1, 2015 13:40:10 GMT -6
perfect example to me is wagoner. they got athletes ALL OVER the field. there isn't a weakness anywhere on them. they lose 1 stud receiver to graduation this year(they've already lost him to injury for the year this year which sucks because that kid can play), and most of their really good athletes come back next year as seniors. they're probably going to 3-peat next year if they get past oologah on friday.
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